"Individual communities ought to have the power to enact whatever
gun laws they want."
"Individual communities ought to have the power
to
enact whatever gun laws they want."
by Angel Shamaya
Founder/Executive Director
KeepAndBearArms.com
October 31, 2002
On October 8, 2002, CNN Crossfire held
a debate between Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun
Owners of America and Dennis Henigan, Legal Director of the Brady Handgun
Control, Inc. organization. As could be expected, Mr. Pratt trounced Dennis
"Ban Handguns" Henigan. And also as could be expected, Mr. Henigan not
only made numerous objectionable statements, but he revealed the depth of what
he and his organization are really all about.
One brief section of their interview
sparked this entire article. That section follows:
PRATT: Let me ask a question. You
were saying that you don't support banning guns. Well, if so, did you disagree,
or do you disagree that handgun control went to court to try to keep the D.C.
gun ban?
HENIGAN: Look, we believe that individual communities ought to have the power to
enact whatever gun laws they want.
(See transcript here: http://www.cnn.com/transcripts/0210/08/cf.00.html.)
If "individual communities ought
to have the power to enact whatever gun laws they want," that opens the
floodgates to enact laws that restrict the entire Bill of Rights. Local Bill of Rights
Nullification Power, if accepted, can and will be applied to the entire Bill of
Rights. Let's look at this idea, carried to its logical conclusion, one
Amendment at a time.
FIRST AMENDMENT
If individual communities ought to have
the power to ban firearms and imprison gun owners for mere possession -- "whatever
gun laws they want" -- that same
Mob Rule Theory applied to the First Amendment and carried to its logical
conclusion could eradicate what's left of America as we know it. The First
Amendment states:
"Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of
the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress
of grievances."
Imagine stiff penalties for speaking
out on prohibited topics, or for assembling with friends of like mind, or for
publishing banned ideas. Imagine being arrested and thrown in jail for
petitioning the government publicly and offending the "wrong" official
with your "devious, unpatriotic" grievances. Like China, where
"American" flags and Little League baseballs are made -- where people
are still to this day executed by the hundreds and even thousands,
sometimes for what they say or how/where they say it.
What's your preferred religion?
Strictly prohibited. And since the Eighth Amendment protection against cruel and
unusual punishment can also be banned by "individual communities [who]
ought to have the power to enact whatever [protected right] laws they
want," if you get caught exercising that religion, you will be crucified
naked in town square in the middle of summer and forced to listen to a repeating
loop of Janet Reno justifying having torched Waco's youngsters to a crisp. Hey,
these individual communities are powerful now. "Whatever [protected right]
laws they want."
For the rest of this message, be sure
to remember that the ban on cruel and unusual punishment has been lifted.
SECOND AMENDMENT
"Look, we believe that
individual communities ought to have the power to enact whatever gun laws they
want."
Hmmm. Gotcha:
"By order of the Mayor of New York
City," said police chief Scarface, "anyone caught with a firearm
without a permission slip personally signed by the Mayor and three of his
approved staff members will be shot on sight and left to rot for 40 days. Before
the day's end, all possessions left by the violent criminal will be confiscated
and sold at public auction, and any debts left by the criminal will be repaid
with hard labor exacted from no more than seven (7) surviving family members or
known associates."
And don't even think about
praying in prison when you get there -- the Warden in Henigan's "Any Gun
Laws They Want" World makes the Mayor look like
Snow White.
THIRD AMENDMENT
"No soldier shall, in time of
peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time
of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."
As soon as the law gets around the
prescribing for post-jihad America, that Amendment is already ripe for abuse.
But local communities don't have to worry about the very flimsy alleged
protections it supposedly affords anyway, right? After some fellow named
Mohammed Ramadan turns a beer keg into a dirty bomb and dumps it on a state
legislator's front doorstep, you'd best not complain too much when Homeland
Security Team Bravo Sierra needs a place to sleep and a television to shoot. Refusal to
comply with their needs by sleeping at the neighbor's house is punishable by
determination of the weary commanding officer who likes your landscaping enough
to convince himself he'll get through the 60-day pseudo "cleanup"
procedure outlined on Page 871 of the USA SUPERPATRIOT Act without blowing his own
brains out.
FOURTH AMENDMENT
"The right of the people to be
secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but
upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Henigan's World:
"No, officer, I didn't realize I
was going 2 miles over the speed limit. I'm really sorry."
"Step out of the car, mister.
Please remove your shoes, pants, shirt, jewelry and bend down and grab your
ankles. If you sit still, this cavity search will only take a minute and you can get dressed
while we rip your car apart."
Far fetched? Hardly. Prince
George's County, Maryland's police department was exposed by the Washington Post
a while back for many "unbelievable" things -- including multiple
officers strip searching a man who'd been pulled over in his BMW, and doing a
cavity search behind a gas station while, according to the successful businessman with a
clean record who encountered these "law enforcement officers," they
joked, laughed and intimidated him menacingly with clear and concise threats.
At the 2001 Gun Rights Policy
Conference, an Ohio attorney informed the entire roomful of people that police
officers who "catch you with a firearm" can order you to submit to a
strip search -- "and you have to do what they tell you."
And that's with the alleged
"Fourth Amendment" in place... supposedly.
In the Henigan "individual
communities ought to have the power to enact whatever [...] laws they want"
world, your City Manager, County Supervisor or Mayor can demand that you submit
DNA, hair, blood, stool and urine samples -- for each member of your family.
"Privacy? Shut your mouth, or that
smile will be wiped off of your face with this nightstick. We'll be by from time
to time -- any time we please -- to make sure you don't have any contraband in
your house. We're watching you, and we think you are up to something."
FIFTH AMENDMENT
"No person shall be held to
answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval
forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public
danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put
in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be
a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public
use, without just compensation."
1) "Tell us the truth or we will do
it to your other thumb. Confess!"
2) "By order of this court, I hereby
dismiss this jury for failure to convict an obvious criminal and decree that the
fourth jury selection for this trial will commence at noon on Monday."
3) "Hey. Yeah, it's me!
Listen! The city is demanding that I vacate my family's home and land -- they
are giving me one one-hundredth of what it's worth and said that if I didn't
like it the Police Chief would like to settle this matter personally this
evening behind the station! ... Whadya mean 'what am I gonna do', you idiot -- I'm
packing! I want you to come help me so I get the most important stuff!"
SIXTH AMENDMENT
"In all criminal prosecutions,
the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an
impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been
committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and
to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted
with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."
Prisoner Number One: Welcome to
The Outhouse. What'd they put you in here for?
Prisoner Number Two: I got pulled
over with my friend, and they found a flattened .22 shell casing in his trunk.
Prisoner Number One: Idiot.
You should have picked smarter friends. What'd they do to him.
Prisoner Number Two: He's
dead.
Prisoner Number One: Right.
Prisoner Number Two: How
long did it take you to get to trial?
Prisoner Number One: I'm
still "waiting." Every now and then the Warden calls me into his
office to tell me the judge is still selecting my jury, but I stopped believing
him after the fourth or fifth time.
Prisoner Number Two: How
long have you been in this hellhole?
Prisoner Number One: What
year is it?
SEVENTH AMENDMENT
"In suits at common law, where
the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by
jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise
reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of
the common law."
Newspaper Headlines:
January:
COMMON LAW RULED
ANTIQUATED
COMMUNITY LAW SUITABLE REPLACEMENT
March:
JURY TRIAL UNNECESSARY,
SAYS MAYOR
MOST JURORS TOO UNINFORMED
May:
TRAFFIC CRIMINAL GETS 20
YEARS
CALLED JUDGE A SCUMBAG
EIGHTH AMENDMENT
"Excessive bail
shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual
punishments inflicted."
PORTLAND, Or. (AP) -- The
high bails being set for prisoners have led to yet another execution today. A
man accused of distributing flyers contesting high bails told the judge he
"could stick his $500,000 bail where the sun don't shine." Funeral
services have been waived by the family as they are all working in the newly
renovated Portland Penal Colony -- to pay their late father's bail, which the
judge said he still owes "even though he's lost his head."
NINTH AMENDMENT
"The enumeration in
the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or
disparage others retained by the people."
Law Enforcement Officer
One: "...and she tells me she wants me to turn off my
cruiser while I interview her because she says she has a 'right to breathe clean
air', I think she said!"
Law Enforcement Officer
Two: "Yeah,.. and...?!"
Law Enforcement Officer
One: "So I grab her by the
neck and close off her windpipe until she faints and drop her on the ground --
then when she wakes up, I says, 'Are you sure about that,
honey?!!"
In Unison: "Bwaaaa
haaa haaa ha ha HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!"
TENTH AMENDMENT
"The powers not
delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to
the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
"Look, we believe
that individual communities ought to have the power to enact whatever [Bill of
Rights] laws they want." --Dennis Henigan, legal director for the Brady Campaign Against Gun
Violence, CNN's Crossfire Debate with Larry Pratt, Executive Director, Gun
Owners of America, October 8, 2002, 19:00 ET
CONCLUSION
Anyone who chips
away at one of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights is chipping away at all of them. Supporting
local Bill of Rights Nullification Powers is an invitation for the kinds of
abuses history has relegated to Totalitarian Dictatorships. Whether the Dictatorship is localized, regional,
statewide or national matters little to people living and dying under such
conditions.
Basic human rights were
specifically enumerated as off limits by any government because the forethinking
men who discerned them as innate to the human being had experienced gross
dishonoring of these rights and the results such tyranny produced. If
government could legitimately strip away one human right, they could strip them
all. Thus the term "unalienable rights."
The US Constitution is the
Law of the Land -- it says so in Article 6, Section 2, "anything in the
Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." It's not a buffet from which petty Dictator Wannabes can pick
and choose. As long as each community and state is a part of this nation, the elected officials of
that community must abide by The Law. They cannot choose which laws they want to obey
any more than individuals are entitled to do. We are one nation, bound together by the
contract that is the Constitution. This is what makes us the united States of
America.
Anti-gun fanatics like Dennis
Henigan are scary domestic enemies, a bane to a free society, and they are
encouraged to carefully consider how much further they will be allowed to push
lawful, peaceable gunowners before a backlash of epic proportions becomes
unavoidable. When good men and women have no civil recourse for restoring their
rights, the only path left is uncivil. There are somewhere in the neighborhood
of 83,000,000 gunowners in this great nation, and many of them are increasingly
feeling their backs against the wall -- as a direct result of people like
Dennis Henigan who support, promote, endorse and consistently seek to build a
long and growing string of "local community" dictatorships.
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In case
you'd like to read the section of the "debate" between Mr. Pratt and
Mr. Henigan, here it is. First is the intro. Click here to
go straight to the section where they were finally introduced. ...
CNN CROSSFIRE
Gun Control Advocates Claim Maryland Sniper Could Be
Caught If Tracking System Was In Place; Some Claim Bush Politicizing Iraq Issue
Aired October 8, 2002 - 19:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS
FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
ANNOUNCER: CROSSFIRE: On the left: James Carville and
Paul Begala. On the right: Robert Novak and Tucker Carlson. In the CROSSFIRE:
Anguish, anger and a sniper on the loose.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... to stop this insane killer.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: Tonight: Is the gun lobby fighting a tool that could find a killer?
Should the U.S. do it now? The use of force debate exposes political fault
lines.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN (D), CONNECTICUT: Mr. President, we have decided Iraq is a
danger.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. ROBERT BYRD (D), WEST VIRGINIA: Put a sign on the statue of liberty up
here. Put a sign: "Out of business."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: And who says he's only interested in Iraq?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There needs to be fiscal sanity
in Washington, D.C.
Tonight on CROSSFIRE.
From the George Washington University: Paul Begala and Robert Novak.
ROBERT NOVAK, CO-HOST: Welcome to CROSSFIRE.
Tonight, as lawmakers debate Iraq, how closely are the folks back home watching?
Also, the anti-gun crowd spots a target of opportunity.
But first, a political briefing that really hits the
bull's eye: our CROSSFIRE "Political Alert."
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First in the CROSSFIRE tonight are
Dennis Henigan, legal director for the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence. And
with him, Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America.
BEGALA: Gentlemen, good of you to join us. This is always a contentious topic:
gun control and gun rights, but particularly now when there is a sniper on the
loose.
Bob mentioned in the introduction a system that's being tried out in Maryland
that would take a ballistic fingerprint from every barrel of every new gun
produced. Manufacturers would keep that fingerprint on file, and then if we had
a federal system, as many law enforcement folks have proposed, they would be
able to track down that gun and maybe even find the killer.
Here is what a law enforcement official told "The New York Times"
today. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is the former chief the crime gun analysis section of
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
He said this: "I definitely think that the technology is there. And it has
been refined to the point where it's cost effective. It would not be an
imposition on the manufacturers or law enforcement or citizens, so I'm all for
it."
Mr. Pratt, why are you against it?
LARRY PRATT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA: Well, for one thing, he
is wrong. The technology isn't so hot. They have had it for handguns in Maryland
for casings, not the bullet itself. And they've run 17,000 runs on the system
and they've not solved one crime with it.
And there's a number of reasons why I think that would be. In addition to not
all the guns are in the database, they never will be. Because it's possible to
buy guns with illegal false identification. The government accounting office
actually did that about a year ago, and everywhere they went they made sure they
had a false identification of a non-criminal, somebody who wasn't in the
database. And, of course, they were sold a gun.
You can also change the barrel, change the firing pin, so that you change all
the signatures. And actually just using the gun not even all that much will also
change the characteristics of that fingerprint. So it all adds up to only one
thing gets accomplished, a registration system of gun owners that's even more
extensive than what we already suffer from.
NOVAK: Mr. Henigan, let me make a little scenario. We don't know who this
murderous sniper is. But I'm going to make a little bet that he stole the weapon
some place. Now, if he stole the weapon, and they had this system nationwide,
that in itself would kill the system, wouldn't it?
DENNIS HENIGAN, LEGAL DIRECTOR, BRADY CAMPAIGN AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE: Well, first
of all, Bob, you have no idea whether he stole the weapon.
NOVAK: Well let's just assume he did.
HENIGAN: But in fact, most of the guns used in crimes are not stolen at all.
They're bought from gun dealers, they're bought by traffickers who sell them
into the illegal market. The fact that such a system would not solve every crime
does not mean it's not a very valuable system.
It makes absolutely no sense when we have the technology today, to not only be
able to tell that the same gun was used in multiple shootings. We could tell
which gun it was. And we could do that before we even confiscate the gun.
NOVAK: Then explain this to me, Mr. Henigan. Why it is that in Maryland, which
has this system, they have spent $4 million on this system. I don't live in this
crazy state anymore, I used to. But that's why the taxes are so high. And as a
result, they have had no convictions, no arrests. What kind of efficiency is
that?
HENIGAN: This is a complete distortion. The Maryland law is brand new. It's only
been in existence for a year. It takes guns a certain amount of time after
they're sold by a retail gun dealer to be used in crime. The law enforcement
community says there is no question that this system can work.
How do you think we were able to establish that this same gun was responsible
for multiple murders? Because we compared the markings on those casings. The one
missing link is we don't have that national database to be able to tell exactly
which gun that was, and then trace it to the first retail buyer, a tremendous
law enforcement tool. The reason we are not doing this is because of the
paranoia of people like Larry Pratt and the gun lobby who keep crying everything
constructive we do about gun violence will lead ultimately to confiscation of
guns.
PRATT: I'll point out that in New York City, after 25 years of being promised
that the registration of long guns would not lead to confiscation, they changed
the rules. And it did lead to confiscation. California tried to do the same
thing. But when we found about it, that kind of backed them off at least for a
while.
HENIGAN: Yes, but, Larry, you said the Brady bill was going to lead to
registration, it was going to lead to confiscation.
PRATT: Well, it has, as a matter of fact. And the FBI has an illegal database of
all the people that have been buying guns. So you have got a registration list
from the instant background check. You are proposing that you get another one
from this kind of a bullet signature system. And I frankly don't -- I'm not
convinced that you want to do anything else, than someday use it to do what New
York City did, because you're not going to catch crooks with it.
HENIGAN: Larry talks about what might happen some day. I'm talking about today.
There's a sniper on the loose. People in this community are living in mortal
fear right now. We could find this guy if we had the technology to do it. All
you're talking about is...
PRATT: That is not at all an assumption. And every time your gun control buddies
have gotten something into law, the crime rates go up. Whether it's D.C., or
whether it's England, or whether it's Jamaica.
HENIGAN: The crime rate has plummeted since the Brady bill.
PRATT: Excuse me. It had nothing to do with any lowering of the crime rate. And
one of your own research scientists said the same thing. But in England they are
now the most dangerous place to live of the 18 industrial countries in the
world. Jamaica...
(CROSSTALK)
HENIGAN: Compared to America?
PRATT: Yes, compared -- it's the U.N. study that was done last year. Sorry, pal,
you are you the most dangerous guy loose.
(CROSSTALK)
PRATT: But you are you the most -- you produce the most violent society in the
industrial world. And England and Jamaica is so dangerous that tour boats are
stopping that as a port of call.
BEGALA: Because, Mr. Pratt, as you once said, gun control basically kills. Guns
don't kill people, gun control does. Is that your philosophy?
PRATT: Well, of course. Because you leave the victims unable to protect
themselves. And that's what you see in Washington, D.C. It's what you see in
England.
BEGALA: So my 6-year-old should be packing heat?
PRATT: I think you should.
BEGALA: I own three guns and I don't mind -- I just said it on the air. John
Ashcroft knows I own a gun. So what? They're not going to come get my gun,
Larry.
PRATT: Kathy Wilson's (ph) kindergarten is a gun-free zone.
BEGALA: Thank god.
PRATT: Oh, yes. Well that's where one of the kids was hit. Apparently the
murderer forgot that it was a gun-free zone.
BEGALA: OK. So Billy (ph) is going to be packing heat? (CROSSTALK)
HENIGAN: Larry wants teachers to have guns in the classroom.
PRATT: But in fact, the reality is you make people more exposed and put them in
greater danger.
BEGALA: Mr. Pratt, we're going to break. Hold that thought, both of you. We've
got a hot debate going and I hate to cool it off, but we're going to take a
break.
In a minute we're going to ask our guests if there is any gun measure at all
that Larry Pratt won't oppose. I doubt that there is.
Later, the fundraiser in chief talks about Iraq at another Republican rally. But
of course he's not trying to make political hey (ph) from the war, certainly
not.
And our quote of the day is from someone who had a lot of explaining to do today
when he testified on what his FBI did or did not do to prevent September 11.
Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEGALA: Welcome back to CROSSFIRE.
The sniper killings in the D.C. area raise questions about whether Attorney
General John Ashcroft's Justice Department ought to do more to stop gun
violence. Of course Mr. Ashcroft is a busy man, what with covering up naked
breasts on a statue at the Justice Department and arresting terminally ill
people smoking marijuana and all.
In the CROSSFIRE tonight, Larry Pratt, the Executive Director of Gun Owners of
America, and Dennis Henigan, Legal Director for the Brady Campaign Against Gun
Violence.
NOVAK: Mr. Henigan, this wonderful law you have in Maryland, which cost $4
million, over a year, no arrests, no convictions. What it has done, is that
nobody wants to ship guns into Maryland because of the inconvenience. And
Colonel David Mitchell (ph), the Maryland State Police Superintendent said,
"We did not, nor did we ever intend for this legislation to be a de facto
gun ban. Nor did we intend this legislation to create an undue hardship on
Maryland gun dealers."
That's Colonel Mitchell (ph) speaking. But you were not unhappy about the burden
on gun dealers, were you?
HENIGAN: No. The point of this law is
not to put unnecessary burdens on the gun industry. And this could be done much
easier at the federal level, Bob. When a manufacturer sells a gun to a
distributor, the manufacturer could test-fire that gun and those markings, that
data, could go immediately into a federal computer.
We could do this nice and easy. It does cost money, Bob. It costs money to save
lives; it costs money to fight crime. Just think of the costs to this community
of the fear that grips us because of this sniper.
NOVAK: Mr. Henigan, I've been talking to people like you on this show for about
20 years. And some of them are very candid with me, and some are not. I'm going
to give you the candor test. What you would really like to do is have national
registration and severe restrictions on gun ownership, wouldn't you?
HENIGAN: No. What we want is...
NOVAK: You flunked the test.
HENIGAN: No, what we want is a system like we have with automobiles. We have
record keeping of automobile transfers. We have licenses for automobile owners
and drivers. People don't object to that. And yet guns are a product designed to
kill.
And all we have is a limited background check on sales from gun dealers. We
don't even have universal background checks so that if I sell you a gun as a
private citizen, there's no background check.
BEGALA: Mr. Pratt, let me ask a question before you give an answer, because I
want to give you my candor test. I know you've called for the repeal of the
Brady bill, you've called for the repeal of the assault weapon ban. Candidly,
what gun control would you support?
PRATT: If you could show that gun control was constitutional and actually hurt
criminals rather than law-abiding people, I might be willing to talk to you
about it. But until then I think we should get rid of what has impeded...
BEGALA: So flame throwers?
PRATT: No, we're talking about guns.
BEGALA: Those are arms. The Constitution (UNINTELLIGIBLE). A stinger missile is
a shoulder-mounted arm.
PRATT: That's a wonderful red herring, but that's not where...
BEGALA: But you would ban flame throwers? Of course.
HENIGAN: Ask him about machine guns.
BEGALA: Yes.
HENIGAN: You wouldn't ban machine guns?
PRATT: No.
BEGALA: Machine guns have been banned since the '30's.
PRATT: In Switzerland they have a country full of armed people with machine
guns.
BEGALA: Well go move there. I like America.
PRATT: They have a murder rate lower than ours.
(CROSSTALK)
PRATT: Let me ask a question. You were saying that you don't support banning
guns. Well, if so, did you disagree, or do you disagree that handgun control
went to court to try to keep the D.C. gun ban?
HENIGAN: Look, we believe that individual communities ought to have the power to
enact whatever gun laws they want.
NOVAK: All right. Mr. Henigan, let me just ask you a question.
(CROSSTALK)
PRATT: Virginia has a certain kind of law from the national government. You're
being a hypocrite.
NOVAK: We don't have much time. I want to ask you one question. We're in the
District of Columbia right now. Parts of this town I would not want you to walk
in, because I wouldn't walk in. This is a dangerous place.
There's guns all over the place. Do you think banning of all firearms in the
District of Columbia does anything but keep them out the hands of law-abiding
citizens so only the criminals have guns?
HENIGAN: Bob, do you know where those guns come from? They don't come from the
District of Columbia. They come from Virginia...
PRATT: And Virginia has a lower murder rate.
HENIGAN: The come from Florida. They come from states with much weaker gun laws.
That's why we need a federal solution.
PRATT: The states with the weaker gun laws have lower murder rates.
BEGALA: Our attorney general said that the FBI will not be permitted to compare
the names of suspected terrorists against federal gun purchase records .
Attorney General Ashcroft told the Senate he offered no encouragement to
senators who are trying to get the FBI the authority to do so. So the only
apparently civil liberty that John Ashcroft supports is the right for terrorists
to own guns. I guess you're with Ashcroft on this, aren't you?
PRATT: Well, you know Mohammed Atta
seemed to be able to get a false ID without too much trouble. I don't think he's
going to go in and say, Hi, I'm Mohammed Atta. I'm from Saudi Arabia. I'm here
to kill you, will you sell me a gun? These guys are just a little smarter than
that.
NOVAK: This debate will continue, but not tonight. Thank you very much, Larry
Pratt, Dennis Henigan. Thank you so much.
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