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Self Defense by "Human Wave"
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"Hundreds of colleges across the nation have purchased a training program that teaches professors and students not to take campus threats lying down but to fight back with any 'improvised weapon,' from a backpack to a laptop computer."
"The program - which includes a video showing a gunman opening fire in a packed classroom - urges them to be ready to respond to a shooter by taking advantage of the inherent strength in numbers." ...
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Submitter's Note: Well... it's a start, I guess. |
| Comment by:
Josey Wales
(8/26/2008)
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Ha! This is great. Im sure the lefties love this. Providing solutions on how to protect yourself in gun free zones. If a gun wielding killer, intent on killing as many people as possible, comes to your school, be strong...and defeat him with you backpack!
Am I really living in the twilight zone, or is this article just parody and I missed the sarcasm?
I wonder if the "Center for Personal Protection and Safety" offers any hand gun courses. |
| Comment by:
Tim
(8/27/2008)
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It's a start?
Of what? More, be good sheeple?
Just stand there and take your licks comrade?
Maybe invest in a bullet proof backpack?
If that fails you can always RUN AWAY?
MY, MY? It's getting dark in here. |
| Comment by:
Tim
(8/27/2008)
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| Hey Mah? Dad? Hey were'd eveybody go? |
| Comment by:
fedup@cox.net
(8/27/2008)
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| So what is recommended? A subcompact 7" screen, or a 15" magnum TFT? Does the processer matter? How about the OS? What about over-penetration? LOLOL Seriously, it does help to have the mindset that would allow you to use anything at hand, but having a gun at hand just seems so much better :) |
| Comment by:
Defender
(8/27/2008)
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A platoon of soldiers could simply RUN SCREAMING at an attacking enemy and tackle them...
Well, the UN thinks it's a good idea.
I've seen average amateur shooters engage six targets in 2.5 seconds, all hits in the kill zone.
But mobbing the shooter IS a start. ONLY a start.
Sad that they'd rather waste lives than 25-cent bullets. Sadder that they don't TRUST paying customers. Who's paranoid NOW?
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| Comment by:
Uncle Lar
(8/27/2008)
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Let's think positive.
Kids aren't inherrently stupid, just lacking in mature judgemment and the experience to put new situations in context. Once they start getting any training in putting up a counter force to attacks it won't take long before the brighter ones reach an eppifany, "Hey, wouldn't this be a whole lot more effective if a few of us had guns of our own?"
When all is said and done, all the anti gun crowd have are fear of their own incompetence and self loathing for their baser urges which they impose on the rest of the population. Eventually, logic will out. |
| Comment by:
Joe
(8/27/2008)
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“Survivors prepare themselves both mentally and emotionally." The statement leaves out a couple very important elements and just does not provide a true opportunity for safety. It should state, "survivors prepare themselves with the tools, physical, mental and emotional training, necessary to defeat a risk of harm or death".
Allow law abiding students who are willing, able and trained to handle a firearm, their right to self defense. Allow them the same right to self defense, that they have off campus. Provide them a level playing field rather than asking them to defeat overwhelming force with a human wave.
To anyone who proposes taking a book to a gun fight, I say, you first. |
| Comment by:
jac
(8/27/2008)
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The simple fact is that the only effective response to an armed killer is with a gun.
It is predictable that mass killers target victim disarmament zones where they can expect maximum time to commit their carnage before encountering armed force.
And anybody that believes that the police can effectively and timely intervene in a shooting incident is delusional. The police carry guns to protect themselves. They are not there to protect you.
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| Comment by:
phorto@hotmail.com
(8/27/2008)
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| "improvised weapons"? Er... what's wrong with REAL ones? [eyecross] Friggin' idiocy. |
| Comment by:
jpmart@bright.net
(8/27/2008)
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While I agree with the posters who say a gun is better than a laptop (don't take a book to a gunfight), I still have to think that at VA Tech, had the students mobbed the shooter, most of them might still be alive.
If this training gets people into a defensive mindset, willing to defend themselves with whatever's at hand, it's better than cowering under the desk. After all, even if they have guns, without a defensive mindset, the guns aren't going to do any good. And once they realize that taking a book to a gunfight isn't the best strategy, they may start demanding guns.
As Robert Heinlein once wrote, there are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people. We want the "good guys" to become dangerous. |
| Comment by:
madashell
(8/27/2008)
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Submitter's Note: Well... it's a start, I guess.
The American people have a victim mindset
so...
It is in fact a start. If you can convience people they have a right of self-defense gun ownership is a short next step |
| Comment by:
DuaneRN
(8/27/2008)
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| I'm not in school anymore, but my second round through college I always sat by the emergency exit that could only be opened from the inside. The human wave sounds like a good idea to me. Distraction so I could slip out undetected since I had to leave my 1911 at home because it was against the rules. |
| Comment by:
farmer@sou.edu
(8/27/2008)
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This is asinine! An improvised weapon like a pitchfork, shovel,
post hole digger, hoe, rake, etc. is much better
than a laptop or backpack. Of
course I realize the obvious that such won't be
accessible on most college campuses as they would inside a tool shed, barn, or out building on
a farm or ranch. Nonetheless an improvised weapon
like a rock or brick still beats bare hands. But none
are the equalizer like a handgun or shotgun is. |
| Comment by:
LOU "and I thought I was stupid" JEW
(8/27/2008)
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That's great, what ever you do don't consult REAL experts and use proven and effective methods of self defense.
I am just amazed how the more educated someone supposedly is, the more willing they are to put their baseless irrational opinion over facts and reality regardless how many innocent lives are destroyed!
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| Comment by:
Tim
(8/27/2008)
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Maybe someone should introduce a .45 caliber Pen gun?
Reloadable quickly, can be fired at point blank range(With deadly force) and is inconspicuos!
ie; won't freak out the sheeple, like a regular handgun. |
| Comment by:
Tim
(8/27/2008)
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Maybe someone should introduce a .45 caliber Pen gun?
Reloadable quickly, can be fired at point blank range(With deadly force) and is inconspicuos!
ie; won't freak out the sheeple, like a regular handgun. |
| Comment by:
Tim
(8/27/2008)
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| Imagine that? Every student who wanted 1, could have a PEN GUN, in their computer bag or shirt pocket? |
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