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Gun bills may trigger split
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"The Senate will begin another debate on federal gun laws this week, and at least one issue may put it at odds with Republicans in the other chamber."

"A Republican-led bill to immunize gun makers from wrongful-death claims is expected to hit the floor tomorrow, but Democrats and liberal Republicans will propose an amendment to extend the federal assault-weapons ban, possibly setting up a showdown with the House."

"President Bush supports the assault-weapons proposal as well as the overall immunity bill."

Senate to Vote on Shielding Gun Makers (NY Times)
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"Backers of a bipartisan bill that would shield firearms dealers and manufacturers from lawsuits are pushing for a vote this week in the Senate, injecting the volatile issue of gun control into this year's presidential and Congressional elections."

"The bill, which would grant legal immunity to gun makers and dealers so long as they did not sell defective weapons or violate any law, has the support of the White House and 55 sponsors in the Senate, including the Democratic and Republican leaders. It has already passed the House and could come up for consideration in the Senate as early as Wednesday." ...

Let's end junk lawsuits
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"For you, it's a baseball bat, maybe the one your kid uses at the sand lot. Or the one you drag out of the closet every summer when that softball league at the office forces you to resolve to get more exercise. It's a recreational device in your hands, but in the hands of a criminal, a potentially deadly instrument. Baseball bats, after all, are among the most frequently used assault weapons in America."

"So, when someone maims a victim with that slugger in a robbery, or breaks through a car window to abduct a frightened woman, or enforces a gang's turf with it, would it be right for big city mayors to drag sporting goods companies through lawsuits in the courts and threaten them with ruin because a crook used their bat? ..."

The New Bill to Protect the Gun Industry From Lawsuits -- How It Strikes at the Heart of Age-Old Tort Law Principles
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"The principle is this: One who carelessly gives a criminal an open opportunity, may be held liable for the subsequent crime. A landlord who fails to light a dark hallway may be liable for a subsequent criminal assault there. The new bill, even as amended, would obviate that simple principle in tort. Reasonable minds can differ about where to draw the line in cases involving the negligent enabling of criminal behavior, but it would be quite radical to suggest that the duty should be cut off entirely."

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Reasonable minds also know that this is not about negligent enabling of criminal behavior, but rather an effort to sue the industry out of existence.

NRA calls the shots
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"One NRA-backed measure was tacked onto an omnibus spending bill passed by Congress last month. That provision now prevents the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives from releasing records tracking the source of guns used in crimes." ...

"Americans for Gun Safety used the information, when it was still available, for a study that found that about one-fifth of the 373,006 guns traced to crimes between 1996 and 2000 were sold by just 120 gun dealers."

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Of course even the BATF called the AGS study "misleading." But that doesn't bother strident pseudo journalists pushing an agenda.

Gun immunity protects recklessness
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"The bill's language doesn't focus on preventing misuse of the judicial system. Prohibitions aren't limited or even directed to baseless lawsuits. Rather, they are designed to keep almost all victims of gun violence out of court, whatever the merits of their case, by granting broad immunity to gun sellers."

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What merit can there be for suing a business for conducting a legitimate transaction? If the business broke the law, it's not immune from government prosecution. But what justification can there be for trying to bankrupt a business because a criminal misuses a product?

If Senate Passes the 'Bull's Eye Protection Bill,' Real People will be Denied Their Day in Court; IBPO Adds Name in Opposition
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"Law enforcement leaders have been vocal in their opposition -- today, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers announced its opposition. Officials from IBPO will speak out against the bill at a press conference tomorrow. More than 80 law enforcement officials signed a letter that was sent to all Senators last week, and two of America's preeminent attorneys, David Boies and Lloyd Cutler, last week issued legal opinions reiterating that the proposed legislation would end the lawsuit brought by the families of the victims of the DC area snipers against Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, the Tacoma, Washington gun dealer who 'lost' 238 guns, including the Bushmaster assault rifle used by the snipers in their murder spree."

Your papers, please
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"Next week the U.S. Supreme Court will hear a case to decide whether or not all Americans must have identification on them at all times. The case has been brought by a cowboy in Nevada who was asked to show ID while he was leaning against his pickup truck on the side of the road near his ranch. The police officer did not offer any specific reason why he demanded proof of identity. Having committed no crime, Dudley Hiibel, the cowboy, refused and was arrested. He was later convicted for 'Delaying a Peace Officer.' In America, still a free country, citizens should not be required to provide identification papers at any whim of the authorities." ...

Lots of cameras watch you - and catch criminals
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"Surveillance cameras no longer are relegated to banks and convenience stores. They are in bars and supermarkets, over highways and in buses. They seem to be everywhere: recording images blurry and crisp, often with the date and time clearly displayed."

"The average American is captured on video about a dozen times a day, police estimate. And that has caused video surveillance cameras to become an increasingly important law enforcement tool in Delaware and across the country. From crimes committed in a crowded bank to those pulled off on a desolate street corner, police now routinely look into whether there was a camera near the crime scene."

Ashcroft's Subpoena Blitz
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"Since 9/11, we have heard repeatedly, from the Bush Administration and others, that we must sacrifice some of our civil liberties in order to increase security, and protect our country against terrorism. This argument has provided support for a variety of measures, including the USA PATRIOT Act. And studies have shown that the majority of Americans have accepted this argument: They are willing to give up some degree of privacy and freedom if it is necessary to prevent further terrorist attacks."

"But now, the Justice Department has made clear that it views its powers as much greater than this. It won't just use its new powers to curtail privacy and liberty when terrorism is suspected it will do so whenever its political agenda makes it advantageous to do so."

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"The U.S. Supreme Court gave the government the power to pursue certain terrorism cases in near total secrecy Monday, declining an appeal by an Algerian immigrant detained after the attacks of September 11, 2001." "Without commenting, the justices refused to intervene in the issue over whether the former detainee and media organizations had the right of access to sealed court proceedings."

Serfdom, American Style
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"We have become serfs like the ones in Russian history. The Russian Revolution pretended to save the serfs from serfdom, but in reality only changed their appellation from 'serf' to 'comrade', took away their private property and promptly generated several years of famine to get rid of the blighters." ...

"The right to private property and the Fourth Amendment right to protect one from unreasonable search and seizure have been all but eliminated. In addition to the Patriot Act and gun control legislation some of the anti-private property laws/programs that have emasculated that right are: Endangered Species Act; Heritage Areas; Viewsheds; Conservation Easements; Wetlands; Smart Growth; Watersheds and Eminent Domain." ...

UK: Youths on gun and kidnap charges
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TWO youths aged 16 and 17 were remanded in custody by the Old Bailey on Friday accused of 21 charges, including aggravated burglary with intent, robbery, GBH, possession of a firearm with intent, assault with intent to rob, kidnap and theft.

Sharon Chambers, 38, of Herga Road, Wealdstone, and a 16-year-old girl are both accused of handling stolen goods and possession of criminal property.

All will appear again on April 22.

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Fortunately, the nationwide gun ban is in place, so victims cannot defend themselves and harm these poor, armed kidnappers.

Government Education Is Evil, Period
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"There are pages and pages of conservative writings that rant and complain of evils in government education: not enough prayer, too much homosexuality, not enough Creationism. They are only outmatched in their foolishness by their witless counterparts who rant and complain about other evils that exist: too much religion, not enough sexual diversity, not enough evolution."

"But where Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum cannot agree, they make amends in their voracious consumption of what they desire most: the growth and power of the State in the spending of education and the regulation of our children's lives."

Device Captures Perfectly Preserved Test-Fired Bullets for Quick, Easy Retrieval
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"For the first time ever, crime labs and ballistics researchers can easily capture and retrieve perfectly intact bullets and slugs of all kinds, fired from any firearm, including hollow points and even high-explosive large-caliber military rounds. The Duke Projectile Recovery System consistently achieves results previously considered impossible."

"Developed by Ballistics Research, Inc., of Rome, Ga., the patented DPRS represents a huge leap for law enforcement. It allows the test-firing of a suspected firearm using the same ammunition used in a crime, with immediate recovery of the projectile fully preserved in the condition in which it left the barrel, including the powder residue." ...

IA: Police urge snitches to report their friends and neighbors to facilitate confiscation
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"Polk County law enforcement officials Wednesday asked for help to get guns away from people who pose a threat to themselves or others." ...

"He urged people to contact police whenever a friend or loved one, especially one with a known mental or emotional problem, threatens harm."

"Young people who possess firearms for no legal reason should also be on the informal watch list, officials said." ...

"Margaret Stout, executive director of the Alliance for the Mentally Ill of Iowa, said a 'tie-in with someone in mental health to get additional input' is important."

Amnesty International: Preventing Police from Misusing Their Guns
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"Around the world, many police and law-enforcement officials misuse their right to use force, with fatal consequences. Most police forces are armed, but are inadequately trained on how to assess when and where to fire a gun, but with political will, this can be corrected and save many lives, a new report by Amnesty International concludes."

"Guns and Policing: Standards to prevent misuse focuses on what governments should be doing to control the use of guns by their police forces. The report has been written by Amnesty International for the Control Arms Campaign and is the first in a series of short thematic reports to be produced for Amnesty International, Oxfam and the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA) during the campaign. The Control Arms Campaign is a global campaign aimed at making people safe from armed violence."

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And yet the UN wants to disarm populations against the armed police, who abuse their power.

CFA Survey Shows Gun Owners Support Assault Weapons Ban
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"A national public opinion poll for the Consumer Federation of America (CFA) finds an overwhelming majority of Americans support renewing and strengthening the ban on semi-automatic assault weapons in the U.S. Both gun owners and the general public overwhelmingly want President Bush to make a strong effort to persuade Congress to extend the ban, which is set to expire in six months if Congress fails to act." ...

"The survey was conducted by Opinion Research Corporation International. ORCI interviewed a representative sample of more than 1,000 adult Americans from February 18 to 22, 2004. ..."

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How many reading this right now received a call to take this poll?

Spy Suspect Was Devoted to God, Guns
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"He was clean-cut, well-liked, devout first as a Lutheran and then later as a Muslim. But Anderson, the 26-year-old National Guardsman who stands accused of trying to help Al Qaeda, had alarmed authorities before." ...

"It was May 22, 1998, the day after a 15-year-old Oregon boy named Kipland P. Kinkel went on a killing rampage at his home and school. That afternoon, Anderson home from college and staying with his parents in this working-class town north of Seattle was seen carrying a rifle near an elementary school." ...

"Anderson later explained that he had just acquired the rifle, which had a 2-foot-long bayonet, and was walking to a friend's house to show it off. Police released him."

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And yet, the media insists on using this insignificant incident to tie gun ownership and support for Second Amendment rights to his alleged espionage.

UK: 'Race Attack Soldier Blinded Businessman on Night Out
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"A businessman was left blinded after he was racially abused and attacked by a soldier during a night out."

"Bilal 'Billy' Omar was with a friend in Luton town centre when they were approached in a bar by David Tennison and his companions, the prosecution alleged."

"Mr Barry said Tennison had asked: 'Are you Billy Omar?' "

"Mr Omar was surprised as he had not seen the man before, but extended his hand, saying Yes, said Mr Barry."

"But Tennison allegedly replied: 'Why do I want to shake your hand, you f****** Paki?' and then punched Mr Omar in the face, knocking him back."

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But only police and the military are responsible enough to carry guns, right Sarah?

Amnesty International condemns police use of lethal force in many countries
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"Many people are shot dead by police forces who do not follow United Nations standards on using lethal force only where necessary and in self-defence, Amnesty International says."

"Among other countries, the human rights group singled out Jamaica, where it said police have shot dead 140 people a year on average over the last ten years, and Brazil where killings by police rose sharply in 2003."

" 'International standards do exist to control the use of guns and other methods of force by police and law enforcement officials -- but in too many countries around the world these standards are not being followed,' Amnesty said on Monday.

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But HCI says that only cops are well-trained enough to have guns!

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NY: Pataki's gun fee proposals spark outcry
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"Gov. George E. Pataki has fired
another shot heard 'round the state."

"Gun owners, pistol shooters and collectors in particular could get hit with a volley of permit fee increases and a change in permit status, if Assembly bill 9556 and Senate bill 6956, part of the governor's new budget, are passed." ...

"Erie County Clerk David J. Swarts sees enacting these proposed fee changes as 'an administrative nightmare.' "

" 'These fees would become a burden on county clerks' office staffs to fulfill all sections of law,' Swarts said. 'This county has the largest number of permit holders in the state, almost 70,000, and, as mandated in this proposal, all permits would need to be reissued by February of 2005.' The clerk's office would have to triple its staff to comply with this new law."

MN: To protect and serve, even after being served? Submitted by: awsmm Website: http://www.geekswithguns.com	There are no comments on this story Post Comments \| Read Comments
"The off-duty St. Paul police officer inside Arnellia's bar when a gunman opened fire early Friday said he didn't see someone had been shot before leaving without helping, even though investigators said he was six feet from the victim." "Police Chief William Finney said the officer will most likely be disciplined for leaving the scene and not rendering aid to the victim or investigators."

FL: Miami police retrial starts today
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"The retrial of three veteran Miami police officers charged in the largest department scandal in two decades opens today much like the larger 2003 showcase trial -- with one major new twist."

"Unlike last year's trial, in which 11 cop defendants presented a united front, the defense is preparing to point an accusatory finger at one of those cops to bolster its argument that a star government witness is lying."

"The first trial painted a broad picture of four shootings in which police planted 'throw-down' guns to justify shooting unarmed suspects. This time, prosecutors will focus mainly on the bloodiest of the four incidents -- the Nov. 7, 1995, fatal shootings of two smash-and-grab robbers near Interstate 395."

Australia: Time to start again, say Redfern police
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"Redfern police have called for more officers on the street and a replacement station within view of the Block to quell civil disobedience, in a move likely to anger Aboriginal leaders."

"Saying they were 'sick and tired of shouldering the blame' for Redfern's problems, police yesterday demanded a parliamentary inquiry, 'into Redfern, not into policing in Redfern'."

"The local NSW Police Association representative, Paul Huxtable, said the actions of the Department of Community Services, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission, and Aboriginal Health should be questioned."

Police Chiefs Campaign Against Gun-Immunity Bill (JTO)
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"Police chiefs and other law-enforcement officials have initiated a campaign against a federal gunmaker's immunity bill, the New York Times reported Feb. 16."

"Chief William Bratton of the Los Angeles Police Department in California, along with 80 other police officials, signed a letter to the Senate indicating their opposition to the bill. In addition, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is running full-page advertisements in major newspapers featuring Bratton's message."

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Bratton is a strident enemy of freedom, who has advised British police to remain disarmed, even as armed thugs are beginning to rule the streets in the UK.

NE: Lincoln Student Reportedly Brings Gun To School
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A student is in trouble with the law for allegedly bringing a gun to a high school basketball game this weekend.

Someone at the Lincoln North Star High School game reportedly noticed the student had a gun in his waistband. They notified police. Officers chased the student outside where he allegedly threw the gun into a nearby field.

He's been booked for carrying a concealed weapon and for bringing a gun inside a school. No further details were provided.

AR: Plans under way for gun show March 13-14
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"Whether you want to buy, sell, trade or just look at a variety of guns and knives, make plans now to attend the 2004 Stockton Area Chamber of Commerce Gun and Knife Show Saturday and Sunday, March 13-14, in Stockton."

"The show will feature antique and modern firearms, knives and military gear. Admission will be $3, and the show will be in the Zumwalt/Beasley building on the northwest corner of the square."

You can't count on gun control statistics
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"We have all heard about how 'nine children die each day from firearms misuse' across the country." ...

"Using information from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for the year 1999 ...Lott found that more children died from bicycle accidents (81) than from accidental discharges of a firearm (31). A subcategory of the 31 total child deaths from accidental discharges of a firearm included those where a child less than 10 years of age pulled the trigger (6). ..."

"The number of kids accidentally shooting kids, where a child is considered to be 10 years old or younger, not a 24 year-old killed in a gang and drug-related shootout, ranged from five to nine cases per year from 1995 through 1999."

NY: Call for anti-gun regulations extension
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"Elected officials and Long Islanders who lost relatives in the 1993 massacre on the Long Island Rail Road today called on President George W. Bush to push for a 10-year extension of the federal anti-gun regulations passed in the wake of the shooting."

"Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who sponsored the assault weapons ban while a congressman in 1994, and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-Mineola), whose husband Dennis died in the shooting, held a news conference on the steps of the State Supreme Court building in Mineola with gun control advocates this morning. They asked Bush to fulfill a campaign promise of four years ago by pushing to extend the law, which expires in September."

CO: Gun database bill draws fire
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"Colorado law enforcement officials urged legislators Sunday to defeat a bill that would eliminate the statewide database for concealed-handgun permits."

"A concealed-carry law enacted last year said a list of all permit holders would be kept and made available to law enforcement agencies until 2007." ...

"But officers in the field need to know whether a person's concealed-weapons permit is valid, said officials of the Colorado Association of the Chiefs of Police and the County Sheriffs of Colorado." ...

"...Chris Olson, director of public safety for the city of Englewood and legislative chairman of the police chiefs association, said the database is important in determining if sheriffs are using the appropriate criteria for issuing permits."

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"Airtight security at airports has been a constant concern since September 11, 2001, and has ignited a debate that puts the Transportation Security Administration under constant scrutiny." " 'Unfortunately our security is far from competent,' Charles Slepian -- a security expert who once briefed the Senate Transportation Committee on airport security..."

UT: Guns as trump card
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"Though they claim that gun rights do not trump property rights, some Utah legislators just can't bring themselves to say so in the law." ...

"A state district judge has upheld the ban, but his ruling suggested that the Legislature could eliminate the U. policy if it chose to take specific action against it." ...

"The gun laws should specifically allow private business owners to restrict gun possession, because many employers rightly believe that people carrying guns increase risks to workers and customers."

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However if the U receives public moneys, it is certainly not private property.

IL: Wilmette residents urged to "dump trustees"
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"Saturday evening, a combination of uneasy Wilmette residents and gun owner rights activists met together to strategize on what, if anything, could be done to change the village's policy about allowing homeowners the right to defend themselves against home invaders."

" 'We're encouraging the people of Wilmette to 'Dump Wilmette trustees,' ' Richard Pearson of Illinois State Rifle Association told the group of fifty gathered at Wilmette's Lakeview Community Center in an exclusive area of one of the nation's wealthiest and most educated villages, just north of Chicago."

Thailand: Teacher applying for firearms permits amidst growing violence
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Violence is growing in far south Thailand, apparently. The result...

"The meeting decided that the three provinces should be designated 'areas of risk' for teachers, which will result in them getting an extra allowance of between Bt2,500 and Bt5,000, said Sunan Thepsri, a director at the Basic Education Commission."

"Deputy Education Minister Sirikorn Maneerin, who visited schools in Pattani yesterday, said that many teachers in the area had told her of concerns about their safety."

"Some said they would apply for firearm-carrying permits while others asked for financial assistance to buy firearms, she added."

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"A gun control advocacy group links Mississippi's high gun-trafficking rate to the state's not requiring background checks of buyers at gun shows." ------- AGS is on another rampage of lies. Less than two percent of criminals get guns at gun shows or flea markets. What they really want is government control of every private transaction involving firearms.

UT: Judge questions excessive nature of mandatory gun-related sentencing guidelines
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"A federal judge is questioning why he should impose a 61-year prison sentence on a drug offender who likely would have faced no more than two or three years in prison had he been charged in state court." ...

"Three weapons charges -- for carrying a firearm during two marijuana deals and having firearms in his apartment while he was in the business of selling marijuana -- carry a mandatory term of five years for the first count and 25 years each on subsequent counts. The terms are to be served consecutively."

"The other counts carry a mandatory six and one-half-year term."

"U-S District Judge Paul Cassell has ordered prosecuting and defense attorneys to write briefs on the constitutionality of the mandatory sentence." ...

RI: Local leaders speak out against gun legislation
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"Providence Mayor David N. Cicilline, Police Chief Dean Esserman and others are calling on the state's U.S. senators to help defeat a bill that would offer legal protection to gun makers and gun sellers." ...

"Gun violence is a growing urban epidemic and cities are often the frontline for defense against gun violence... That municipalities will be prevented from seeking legal redress because of the formidable gun lobby is wrong."

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But punishing businesses for criminal misuse of their product is perfectly acceptable to these tyrants.

Gun Control: A Current Example of Media Bias Against Guns
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"A recent series of articles at the Fox News website highlights how pervasive the bias against the civil liberties of gun owners and Second Amendment supporters has become. Since Congress is currently considering expanding and/or making permanent the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994, this violation of ethical reporting practices influences readers to reflexively support more gun control." ...

"...We will address Mr. Andersons writings in letters to editors of his local newspapers, which are irrelevant to his alleged crimes, but when drawn into the story can only be construed as slanderous to gun rights supporters." ...

UK: Stabbed teen carried "firearm"
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"COLLAPSED on the floor of the Brentford High Street McDonalds, a 19-year-old man suffering stab wounds was found to be in possession of a prohibited Tazer gun."

"Shocked customers looked on as a traffic PC, who was already in the restaurant, called for help soon after the youth entered the fast food restaurant, on Monday at 12.30pm - rush hour."

"An air ambulance was called to the scene but was not used, and the youth was taken to West Middlesex Hospital on Twickenham Road, Isleworth."

"Police found him in possession of a Taser stun gun - a section 1 prohibited weapon under the firearms act, which discharges an electrical pulse and is in use by the police. The youth told police that he had taken it from his assaulters." ...

NY: Police suspend cop accused of hitting friend with his gun
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"A police officer was arrested and suspended yesterday after he got into a fight with a friend in Sunset Park..."

"Nelson Lucero, 30, a member of the force since July 2002 ...was off-duty when he allegedly smacked a friend with his department-issued gun yesterday during a fight near Windsor Place and Eighth Avenue, police said."

"He was charged with fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon and third-degree assault, police said." ...

"Lucero was suspended without pay for 30 days and his gun was removed, a police representative said. He will likely undergo a departmental trial pending the outcome of the case."

KS: House panel approves concealed guns bill
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"The House Federal and State Affairs Committee voted 13-7 to send the legislation to the full House, along with an amendment defining school property. The bill prohibits concealed guns in government buildings and schools, but the committee had a hard time determining what constitutes school property."

"Kansas is one of only four states that do not allow residents to carry concealed firearms."

"Under the bill, an applicant for a concealed-carry permit would submit paperwork and a $150 application fee to the local sheriff's office."

"The sheriff would keep $40 and forward $110 plus the paperwork to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, which would conduct background checks and issue permits to qualified applicants."

Playing with weapons breeds violent behavior, if only for a moment
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"I learned that while some childhood experts believe kids who play with toy weapons become Columbine shooters, that there is no conclusive evidence to support such a theory."

"I learned that Mister Rogers thought war play an appropriate, dare I say necessary, way for kids to act out a violent world. Even peacenik Joan Baez reportedly let her kids play with toy guns, contending if she didn't, they would want them even more."

"I learned from my own experience that boys will be boys, that a pork chop bone readily becomes a Colt 45 in the hands of a 4-year-old, even a 4-year-old who's never seen anything on TV more violent than Barney."