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"The sound of gunfire is fading from American television. Actors are balking at violent programmes as networks bow to parental pressure to create zones of 'gun-free TV'."
"Kristin Davis, formerly Charlotte in Sex and the City, and Jeri Ryan, best known as the alien Seven of Nine in the Star Trek spin-off Voyager, have been credited with starting a trend when their agents asked for gunplay to be toned down in their latest dramas, due to be shown in Britain later this year."
"Last week, as America’s top networks began publicising their autumn schedules, Kevin Reilly, president of NBC Entertainment, said he found it liberating to make dramas where characters 'don’t have to be toting guns all the time'." ... |
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"Earlier this month, I found myself on the wrong side of the law at LAX. And I got away with it."
"But I don't feel good about it."
"Fishing around for snacks in my fanny pack at the gate before boarding my flight to Vancouver, I found a 3-inch Swiss Army knife I'd forgotten about. Airport security had overlooked it too."
"Knowing it was illegal to carry the knife onto the plane, I tossed it into a wastebasket and said nothing to anybody."
KABA Note: It was actually illegal to have the knife in the 'secured area' of the airport.
"Wrong, I've since decided. Or at least not the best choice."
"My lapse made me wonder: What should people do when caught with forbidden objects at the airport?" ... |
FL: New book documents first statewide civil rights movement in Florida
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"Decades before the Montgomery bus boycott, African Americans in Jacksonville, Florida, organized streetcar boycotts that forced the city to abandon efforts to segregate the system." ...
"Through oral histories, Ortiz learned about the courageous actions of African Americans who fought for their rights, often at enormous risk to themselves and their families. Sam Dixie, an octogenarian, told of blacks taking up arms in self-defense and shared his childhood memories of a shootout in his hometown of Quincy, Florida, between blacks and the Ku Klux Klan. The Klan had found out about a secret oath taken by members of the Colored Knights of Pythias, a black fraternal organization, to fight for their rights, and Klansmen burned the lodge and killed several knights during the shootout." [emphasis added] ... |
IN: Manufacture, not ownership, of machine guns is illegal
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There is a misconception relating to laws on privately owned machine guns. Private citizens can legally own them, but they can no longer be manufactured for sale to private citizens.
The ones that are legally still in circulation can be purchased or traded by private citizens who can pass the intense government checks for the purchase. This check is on both the weapon and the intended purchaser.
The only crime related to the misuse of a legally owned machine gun was a domestic shooting by a police officer with a department-issued weapon. This speaks highly of the police and private citizens who possess the weapons.
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NC: Shoe-store clerk kills would-be robber
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"A shoe-store clerk shot to death a man attempting to rob his store Friday, authorities said."
"One of the customers, Ramon Lopez, was shopping ... with his 4-year-old son just before 4 p.m. when three or four men wearing ski masks came in with guns and announced they were robbing the store."
"'It was mad, crazy,' Lopez said. 'One came to the back and started searching us. I said, 'Please don't shoot my son.'"
"The robbers started shooting and then the clerk grabbed a gun and fired back, Lopez said. ..."
"One of the robbers was hit and fell in the doorway. The others - at least one of whom was hit by gunfire - took a car at gunpoint in a parking lot next door and then fled, Officer Mandy Giannini said. ..." ... |
TX: Man praised for taking on Tyler killer -- He's mourned as hero, but DPS discourages citizen intervention
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"Mark Wilson's split-second decision to take on the Tyler courthouse shooter – a decision that authorities credit with saving lives – cost him his life."
"Mr. Wilson's friends said Friday that was typical of the former Dallas resident, 52, who lived by the 'cowboy code,' always ready to help someone in danger." ...
"Tyler law-enforcement officials and others called Mr. Wilson's actions on Thursday heroic and selfless. However, other officials said it is not an example they'd like to see emulated by the 237,000 Texans licensed to conceal handguns."
"'Leave the crime fighting to us,' said Tela Mange, spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Public Safety. 'There are just all kinds of situations that they can find themselves in that don't turn out well.'" ... |
FL: Pawn Shop Shoot-Out
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"The small town of Macclenny in Baker County is usually a quiet place, not much crime here; but that wasn't the case this week."
"There was a shootout at a local pawn shop, but the armed robber didn't do the shooting, it was the pawn shop owner." ...
"Sales thought the man was going to kill him so he started wrestling with him over the gun. Sales says, 'We fought for ten or fifteen seconds ...' Sales grabbed the suspect's hand and the gun went off, luckily into the ceiling. Sales then quickly grabbed for a loaded gun on his desk. Sales says, 'He had already told me he was going to kill me so I shot him, or I shot at him.'" ... |
CA: Neighbors, cops back 'snitch' in shooting
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"A North Oakland man branded a 'snitch' because he reports and photographs drug dealers around his home may face assault charges after shooting and wounding a 16-year-old neighbor who confronted him in his front yard."
"Neighbors and police have rallied to the defense of Patrick McCullough, who they believe only shot the youth in self-defense. The youth's mother is pressing the district attorney to file charges." ...
"At that point, he said, the 16-year-old ran to a separate group standing near his neighbor's property, and he heard him ask for a pistol. When McCullough saw another man lift his shirt, showing a gun in his waistband, and the youth reach for it, McCullough said he feared for his life and didn't hesitate." ... |
TN: Wife wanted order of protection
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"A month before her slaying, Misty Seals swore out an order of protection against her husband."
"In it, she said Phillip Douglas Seals early on Jan. 26 had held a .22-caliber handgun to her head and 'threatened to kill me.'" ...
"She returned to Anderson County Chancery Court the next day and asked to cancel the order of protection, court records show."
"'We are trying to work out the separation as adults,' she wrote, and her husband had moved out."
"Seals, 44, a paramedic also bonded as a deputy and thus permitted to carry a weapon, was arraigned Friday morning for the fatal shootings of his 29-year-old estranged wife and her boyfriend, Mark Adam Newton, 42, of Knoxville." [emphasis added] ... |
UT: Police investigate separate incidents of weapons at school
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"A 15-year-old Northridge High School student remained in the Farmington Bay Youth Detention Center and three of his friends have been implicated in the theft and transfer of a .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol, which someone shot into the ground outside the Layton school."
"Meanwhile, in another high school crime, West Valley City police are trying to find the person who sent an anonymous fax to police asking them to investigate an 18-year-old student who allegedly dealt drugs and made threats against fellow students and teachers at Granger High School." ... |
TX: Man arrested with loaded gun in high school parking lot
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"An HISD police officer arrested a man with a loaded gun, ammunition and drugs as he left the parking lot of Jones High School."
"HISD Police Officer Billy Davis spotted a suspicious car leaving a Jones High School parking lot Tuesday afternoon. When HISD Police Officers pulled the car over just after classes had ended for the day, the officer smelled marijuana and immediately called for HISD's drug detection dog, Rocko."
"Rocko, who is trained to detect several different types of drugs as well as gunpowder, alerted on specific locations in the car where officers discovered a box of ammunition, a loaded semi-automatic pistol and almost a quarter pound of marijuana." ... |
TN: Judge orders former lawman jailed
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"A federal judge today ordered former Campbell County narcotics investigator Gerald David Webber to jail until his sentencing in May for beating and torturing a drug dealer."
"Webber, 40, answered U.S. District Court Judge Tom Varlan's questions but stood ramrod straight and quiet for most of the 30-minute hearing."
"Webber is one of five former Campbell County lawmen charged with federal civil rights violations of Lester Eugene Siler, 42, of the White Oak community."
"He was the first to appear in court; three others are due in court later this week. ..."
"They are charged with handcuffing and torturing Siler for two hours ... demanding his drugs and money." ... |
TN: Second Former Deputy Pleads Guilty
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"A former Campbell County DARE Officer is behind bars after pleading guilty in US District Court to violating the civil rights of a convicted drug dealer from the White Oak Community."
"42-year-old deputy sheriff Samuel Franklin waived his right to a grand jury trial in accepting a plea agreement offered by federal prosecutors."
"The former veteran detective is the second of four Campbell County Sheriff Department employees expected to plead guilty this week to the beating and torture of 42-year-old Lester Eugene Siler." ... |
TX: Dallas to pay $5.6 million settlement in fake-drug scandal
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"The city has reached a $5.6 million settlement in more federal lawsuits related to the police fake-drug scandal that sent innocent people to jail, City Attorney Madeleine Johnson said Friday."
"Johnson would not say how many other cases were being negotiated but said the city had settled the most egregious ones."
"'The City Council wanted to do the right thing by these individuals,' she said."
"The settlements announced Friday include 16 plaintiffs who said police violated their civil rights in 2001 during the arrests, in which paid informants planted bogus drugs on innocent people. Each plaintiff will receive $120,000 to $485,000." ... |
GA: Ex-cop takes plea
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A former Albany police officer, charged with leading a shoplifting ring pleads guilty. In a plea deal with the district attorney, Melissa Albritten pled guilty Monday to violation of oath of office. [emphasis added]
Albritten was arrested last year on charges she shoplifted from the T. J. Maxx department store.
After her arrest, prosecutors said she was the ringleader of a shoplifting ring, and was even stealing while wearing her APD uniform.
But they dropped the shoplifting charges against her, and now she'll be sentenced on the oath of office charge. [emphasis added]
Albritten was dismissed from APD on July 29th of last year. |
LA: Louisiana Parish Sees Its Third Straight Sheriff Indicted [follow-up]
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"Even in a state with a rich history of political corruption, this must be some sort of record: Three straight sheriffs of St. Helena Parish have been brought up on criminal charges."
"The latest, Sheriff Ronald 'Gun' Ficklin, appeared in federal court Thursday on charges of selling stolen cars. He's accused of using inmates at the parish jail to help him in a scheme to work over the cars at chop shop and swap their identification numbers."
"For those who have watched the goings on in the parish 40 miles northeast of Baton Rouge say Ficklin's indictment is hardly surprising because it comes on the heels of years of investigations and arrests for vote-buying, fraud and misspending of public funds." ... |
AR: City turns down request to see police shooting records
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"The city of Fayetteville declined Friday to open to public inspection records of the police department’s internal investigation that cleared three officers in the shooting death of a Fayetteville man last Saturday."
"In response to a request from the Northwest Arkansas Times, City Attorney Kit Williams said results from the internal investigation had been turned over to Washington County Prosecuting Attorney Terry Jones and remained part of an ongoing investigation. The Arkansas Freedom of Information Act, written to protect Arkansas citizens ’ access to public documents and meetings, provides an exemption for 'undisclosed investigations by law enforcement agencies of suspected criminal activities.'" ... |
LA: Ex-officer free on bond; self-defense plea expected
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"A former Greenwood police officer accused of murdering a man after he saw him leaving his driveway earlier this week is free on bond while his lawyer plans a self-defense plea."
"Donald Aaron, 29, told police he came home Tuesday afternoon and found a man pulling out of his driveway. A police report said Aaron told detectives the man threatened him and 'reached' for something."
"Police said they found no evidence of a break-in and no weapon on shooting victim Ronald Jamison Jr., who was shot six times as he sat in a car."
"... Aaron was released from Caddo Correction Center on Thursday after posting $100,000 bond, sheriff's deputies said." ... |
OH: Kelleys Island police officer charged with misdemeanor
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"The village's only full-time police patrolman was charged this week with disorderly conduct in connection with an altercation outside a Sandusky bar."
"Joseph Artino of Huron, Ohio, paid a $100 waiver in Sandusky Municipal Court rather than fight the minor misdemeanor charge, as did the other person involved in the confrontation, Kenneth Tarpley of Sandusky."
"Sandusky Police Chief Robert Runner said an officer on patrol Sunday night on Columbus Avenue heard shouting outside Cabana Jack's and found Mr. Artino being restrained by another man and shouting profanities at Mr. Tarpley." ... |
NY: Cop accused in thefts declared mentally ill
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"Nearly three years ago, Lt. Tonya Hickson was arrested and accused of stealing a credit card from another officer."
"When police searched her Brooklyn home they found two guns that two officers had reported stolen from their precinct, police sources said."
"Now, Newsday has learned, Hickson has left the force and pleaded guilty to felony forgery charges after court-appointed psychiatrists deemed her unfit to help in her defense, which sources said meant she is mentally ill."
"Hickson, according to the Manhattan district attorney's office, must, under terms of her sentencing, remain an in-patient at a Staten Island psychiatric institute as long the facility deems necessary." ... |
FL: Former jail deputy gets two years probation
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"A former Collier County jail deputy fired in October after supervisors determined he planted contraband in several inmates' cells received two years probation Monday."
"Richard Micah Scammon, 21, was formally convicted of one charge, falsification of official records by a public servant, a felony punishable by up to five years in prison."
"Scammon, arrested Oct. 18, 2004, will also pay more than $2,000 in court-related costs and fines, including $1,774.75 in restitution to the Collier County Sheriff's Office before his two-year probation term can end."
"In exchange for his plea of no contest, state prosecutor Norman O'Rourke agreed to drop one count of perjury in an unofficial proceeding." ... |
NY: He's maced after asking cops to help dying dog
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"A Brooklyn man was pepper-sprayed when he brought his dying dog to his local police precinct, it was revealed yesterday."
"Jaime Johnson, 30, a maintenance worker from Bedford-Stuyvesant, claims he was unfairly treated by cops."
"But police sources said officers acted properly to subdue what they described as a drunken man having a violent fit."
"Johnson said he ran to the 88th Precinct stationhouse Saturday morning after his family's Shih Tzu puppy, Suki, was hit by a car." ...
"Johnson says he pleaded with cops to get an ambulance for the dog."
"'Within three minutes of [getting] there, I was blinded for the rest of the day,' said Johnson, who denied he was drunk." ... |
Canada: Get 'hate mongering' off air says Fantino
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"Toronto police Chief Julian Fantino is pressuring Ryerson University to ban a program on its campus radio station that airs negative stories about police."
"Bad Cop, No Donut! on CKLN 88.1 FM focuses on 'stories about police abuse that happen throughout North America each week, taken mostly from local newspapers,' said Ron Anicich, the show's volunteer radio host, producer and self-described anarchist."
"It ends with an invitation from the 38-year-old Anicich to: 'Email your comments and story ideas to ihatepigs@hotmail.com.'"
"'I'm disgusted that this kind of hate mongering would be directed at our police officers,' Fantino said yesterday." ...
"'I think what should really be disturbing to people is not an email address but the real impact on people's lives of police abuse,' [CKLN news director Kristin Schwartz] said. 'I think it's important to tell those stories.'" ... |
NY: Mayor, Ognibene at odds on gun issue
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"A movement in the Republican-led Congress to broadly exempt gun manufacturers from liability claims found two rivals in the GOP mayoral primary on slightly different pages on gun issues."
"As Mayor Michael Bloomberg was discussing the issue with radio interviewer John Gambling on WABC (770AM) this week, he fell just short of calling for an outright ban on handguns for civilians."
"'I'm not so sure I wouldn't think that that is a good idea,' Bloomberg said." ... |
IL: Joliet reader fails to acknowledge that guns save lives
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I must respond to Teresa C. of Joliet, 'I was offended by Ben Greer's statement that 'liberals don't use logic'.' [Debate over the gun control debate, February 18].
Teresa contradicts herself when she claims to be an intellectual and logical by neglecting the undeniable fact that guns save millions of lives every year. She also suggests that guns cause suicides and drive by shootings. I’m sorry Teresa, even 'smart technology' can’t make a gun drive a car nor provoke a criminal to use it in a crime.
She is openly against a person’s right to self defense and insists that America is lacking the safety and dignity she believes Ireland to posses. My question is why doesn't she move there?
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OH: Columbus, OH City Council To Hold Public Hearing On Assault Weapons
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The Columbus City Council led by Safety Committee Chair Michael C. Mentel, is targeting your Second Amendment rights. The City Council will be hosting a session for public comment regarding "assault weapons" and it is vital that NRA members attend this meeting and voice their opposition to any restrictions on their Second Amendment right. Please be sure to spread the word to family, friends, and fellow firearm owners to do the same. Remember, your actions today will determine what rights you will exercise tomorrow! The meeting will be held on March 3, at 5:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers at 90 West Broad St, Columbus, OH. Please plan on arriving early because speaker slips will only be accepted until 5:00 p.m. |
IN: Indiana Seeks To Prevent Companies From Regulating The Second Amendment
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HB 1692, introduced by Representative Eric Koch (R-65), will prohibit companies from adopting a policy that prevents an employee from storing his or her firearm in a vehicle on company property. HB 1692 will soon be heard on the House floor, so please contact your Representative as soon as possible and strongly encourage him or her to support this pro-gun reform. Also, when contacting your Representative, be sure to make it clear that a person’s right to self-defense should not be subjected to arbitrary corporate policy. |
KS: Kansas Members! Contact Your Representatives!
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Please contact your Representatives and respectfully urge them to support HB 2439. HB 2439 seeks to correct the problem of local firearm ordinances, which results in a complex patchwork of restrictions from one jurisdiction to the next. The majority of states have enacted firearm preemption laws that prevent local jurisdictions from imposing ordinances more restrictive than laws passed by the state legislature. |
IA: Iowa Senators Introduce State Assault Weapons Ban (JTO)
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"Legislation has been introduced in the Iowa Senate that would prohibit the possession of military-style, semiautomatic assault weapons in Iowa. ..."
Lead sponsor of the bill Mike Connolly said, 'Military-style, semiautomatic assault weapons pose an unreasonable risk of death and injury to all Americans, but the risk is greatest for the nation's law enforcement officers. A law enforcement officer is far more likely than a member of the general public to look down the barrel of an AK-47 whenever they serve a warrant, stop a suspicious vehicle on I-80, or respond to a domestic disturbance.'" ...
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OR: No more waiting for anti-gun legislation
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"Rumors have been circulating for quite some time regarding antigun legislation promised during the last session by Ginny Burdick, D - Portland, the waiting ended last week when the senator introduced five new bills including an assault weapons ban more restrictive than the federal ban that was allowed to sunset last September."
"'She has very little to do up in her district,' Kevin Starrett executive director of the Oregon Firearms Federation told The Sentinel. 'It diverts time and effort from issues that really need to be addressed.'"
"Included in the proposed legislation are SB 927, SB 942, SB 954, SB 956, SB 957 and SB 960." ... |
CT: Anti-Gun Bill Heard In Connecticut Committee
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"On February 24, a public hearing on the State Police Omnibus Anti-Gun Bill was held before the Public Safety Committee. The bill, now referred to as SB 1133, includes a ban on the private sale of long guns, and strict liability that would apply to any one person or manufacturer 'transferring' a firearm. This strict liability provision is designed only to invite increased legal exposure and more frivolous lawsuits against private citizens and the firearms industry. Additionally, SB 1133 would give the authorities increased ability to permanently deem an individual a 'person prohibited' from possessing firearms."
"Also pending in that committee is SB 714, which would ban the sale of .50 caliber rifles. ..." ... |
IL: Illinois General Assembly Takes Up Firearm Related Bills
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"Next week, there could be plenty of action in the Illinois General Assembly. The Senate Judiciary Committee may take up firearm-related legislation, including two anti-gun bills that had been scheduled for this week. The first, SB 219, introduced by Senator Donald Harmon (D-39), seeks to create a criminal offense should a law-abiding gun owner neglect to report the theft of legally owned firearms. The other bill, SB 317, introduced by Senator Mattie Hunter (D-3), is a one-gun-a-month bill that would impose limits on your Constitutionally protected right. The Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to meet March 1, at 2:30 p.m. in Room 212 of the State Capitol in Springfield." ... |
ME: Maine Bill Seeks Waiting 10-Day Waiting Period
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On February 28, two anti-gun bills will be heard in the Criminal Justice & Public Safety Committee. Sponsored by Representative Margaret Craven (D-Lewiston), LD 310 would mandate a 10-day waiting period for law-abiding citizens who purchase firearms in Maine. Sponsored by Senator Margaret Rotundo (D-16), LD 344 would amend the current preemption statute by allowing local governments to regulate the possession of firearms on public property. If LD 344 becomes law, this could create a "patchwork quilt" of firearm regulations throughout the state, making compliance impossible for law-abiding citizens. Please contact committee members and urge them to oppose LD 310 and LD 344. We also encourage other active sportsmen’s groups to become involved in this matter. |
UK: River Ban For Suicide-Fear Woman
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"A woman with a history of suicide attempts has been banned from multi-storey car parks, bridges and rivers."
"The anti-social behaviour order (ASBO) was taken out by magistrates to stop the woman killing herself - and to prevent the chaos her failed suicide bids cause." ...
"Sutton could be jailed if she breaks the two-year order."
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KABA Note: According to "The Economist" an ASBO was issued for a suspected (he has never been charged or convicted of anything)drug dealer to prevent him from using a cell phone.
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UK: Pensioner robbed at gunpoint at home
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"A WALTHAMSTOW pensioner was gagged and held at gunpoint in his home by two violent men who posed as buyers for his car."
"The 72-year-old, who is too scared to be named, suffered cuts and bruises to his arms after the men fought their way into his home and stole his house and car keys."
"Det Sgt Neil Casey of the borough's robbery unit said: 'This was a cowardly, senseless and violent attack on a defenceless elderly member of our community that will not be tolerated.'"
"The robbery happened when the man was at home and heard a scratching noise at his letterbox."
"He went to open the front door and the two men forced their way inside. They bound his mouth and arms with tape, and one of them pointed a black pistol at him and demanded to be given the house and car keys." ... |
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"THE boss of a drug ring called the Colombian Posh Gang was jailed for 24 years yesterday."
"Alonso Sanchez, 32, used a luxury flat on a gated estate as cover for his coke, ecstasy and pot operation."
"When cops raided the 'packing factory' last March they found 32 individually-wrapped kilos of cocaine with a street value of £2.2MILLION."
"There were also 1,948 bagged ecstasy tablets, 2kg of cannabis and £290,000 in rolled-up £50 notes scattered around the apartment near Clapham Junction, South London. Cops also found an 8mm semi-automatic pistol used as protection from rival gangs." emphasis added] ... |
Fiji: Self defence last resort
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"PEOPLE are allowed to defend themselves if attacked and there is no other way to escape, police said."
"However, whatever force used in defence should not be greater than the force used by the attacker, Deputy Police Commissioner Moses Driver said."
"Mr Driver was responding to concerns on how far people could go to defend themselves if attacked in their home and what was judged to be 'reasonable force'."
"He said the usual advice to people would be to escape and to contact the nearest police station."
"'The best thing to do when you are attacked is to retreat and call police to avoid regretful situations later,' he said." ...
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Canada: 'He was just a boy'
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"The upset mom of a slain 16-year-old Edmonton boy cried in court yesterday as she realized nobody will ever be convicted of murder for the downtown shooting. 'He was just a boy,' sobbed Pat Wright, the mother ..."
"Three men were charged with second-degree murder in the gang-related death, but all of them, including two yesterday, were allowed to plead guilty to lesser gun charges." ...
"A sentencing hearing was set for April 22 and Crown prosecutor Dave Hill said he wants four-year prison terms."
"'These men went to a gunfight with loaded guns in downtown Edmonton,' said Hill, adding the use of guns to settle disputes is a growing problem in the city." [emphasis added] ... |
Japan: 2 ASDF members sold stolen computer goods
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"Two members of the Air Self-Defense Force have been punished for stealing computer peripherals and other materials from Komatsu Air Base in Ishikawa Prefecture and selling them through Internet auctions, according to the ASDF."
"One of the two was dismissed in October 2003, while the other was suspended from his duties for 30 days in February 2004. Details of the action taken were disclosed Saturday."
"A spokesman for the base said the incident did not involve any classified materials, so it was not seen as particularly serious." ... |
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