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"Buyer Power" As A Means Of Gun Control?
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"The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence released a study proposal today ... The gist of this proposal is that state and local governments can force gun manufacturers to adopt the regulations suggested by [MAIG] by refusing to buy law enforcement firearms from those that don't conform to this 'code'."
"In theory it sounds good. In reality it ignores two salient facts. First, while large purchases are made by law enforcement agencies, these sales are dwarfed by sales to individuals ... Second, any manufacturer that decides to play along - or even engages in such talks - would be hit with a boycott so quick that heads would spin. The authors of this proposal obviously have forgotten what happened to the old Smith and Wesson ..." ... |
Police Nab Firearms Fraudster Paul Webster. Finally.
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"gunsamerica.com reports that police have nabbed Internet fraudster Paul Webster. Not to put too fine a point on it, Webster has been selling guns that don't exist. Lots of them. ..."
"... According to the gun sales site’s timeline, Webster has been on the loose since 2008. In the interests of providing an ounce of fraud prevention, here’s gunsamerica’s advice for buying a firearm from a private source." ... |
Second Amendment Rights Once Again at Risk
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"Americans continue to watch their Second Amendment rights diminish, this time as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (still known as ATF) launches a campaign to change the definition of 'shotgun.' According to the blog Beregond’s Bar, a recently released study by the Bureau will ultimately make shotguns illegal, and may also have negative implications for all guns." ... |
What's Really Behind Obama's New Push for Gun Control?
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"Despite the Libyan crisis and ongoing problems with America's massive deficit, last week President Obama decided it was time to focus on gun control. He wrote an op-ed, challenged the NRA to negotiate new gun control regulations, and met with gun control groups."
"Of course, Obama's op-ed says he supports gun rights. Yet, he also emphasizes that he doesn't want people to 'shout at one another' and supports 'reasonable laws.' Alas, this is simply positioning for the 2012 presidential election and does not accurately describe his true agenda on gun control." ... |
Grassroots gun rights groups gain momentum
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"Considering that there are an estimated 80 million gun owners in the United States, it should be no surprise that local organizations devoted to protecting and promoting gun rights - especially in the wake of the 2008 Heller ruling and the 2010 McDonald decision by the U.S. Supreme Court - have been springing up, growing in numbers and gaining political clout." ... |
Pull the Trigger on Smith & Wesson
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... "In the days immediately following the Arizona tragedy, the two main publicly traded firearms companies — Sturm Ruger (NYSE:RGR) and Smith & Wesson (NASDAQ:SWHC) — both saw a spike in their share price. That spike was short-lived, however, and since then we’ve seen a divergence in the fortunes of the two gun makers."
"Interestingly, the reason for this divergence has little to do with the reaction on the politics of the gun debate, and much more to do with the fundamental strength of each company." ... |
Obscure Object Of Desire: 1954 Irish Contract Lee-Enfield
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"I know what you’re thinking: Lee-Enfields are about as obscure as Ford Escorts. The Brits made 17 million of them. Between 1895 and 1957 soldiers equipped with the gun fought for Crown and Queen in all corners of the Empire. With a ten-round magazine and the fastest manually-operated turnbolt ever made, the Lee-Enfield gave its Commonwealth soldiers a substantial advantage in firepower over their Mauser-equipped foes." ... |
Gear Review: Montie Gear Precision Rest
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"First of all, apologies to Montie Gear for holding onto their Testing and Evaluation Precision Rest since the late Jurassic era. I guess I took the old adage 'a thing of beauty is a joy forever' too literally. ... The real question facing us today: is the finely-crafted, lightweight Precision Rest a suitable alternative to those beanbag jobs for precision shooters? And the answer is . . ."
"Nope. Truth be told the Precision Rest is restless ..." ... |
Question of the Day: What’s Your Greatest Gun-Related Fear?
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"When it comes to guns, there’s plenty of fear to be found. Gun control advocates are afraid that society is suffering from a lack of restrictions on the legal sale and purchase of firearms. Gun rights advocates are afraid of gun control advocates ... Me, I’m afraid that someone at my daughters’ school will see my concealed carry firearm and start screaming 'HE’S GOT A GUN!' What’s your firearm-related nightmare?" |
Self-Defense Tip: How Not to Shoot Your Own Children
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... "Like so many tragedies, perhaps all tragedies, a chain of avoidable events led to Amaea Edmond's death at the hands of her step-father. For one thing, the video above reveals that Burton was a convicted felon. The article about the shooting says the two men who invaded his home were 'casing the house' the day before the attack."
"Connecting those dots, one could assume that, once again, Burton's felonious past caught up with him. Amaia's mother has the rest of her life to contemplate the rabbi's dictum 'avoid stupid people doing stupid things in stupid places.' We have a few minutes to contemplate the self-defense implications of this incident, in terms of protecting our loved ones." ... |
Armed Encounter: Brooklyn Auto Parts Gun Battle
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"The obvious disclaimer: never take any account of a gun battle at face value. Just as home invasions usually involve victims who are not entirely unfamiliar with the sale and purchase of illegal drugs, gun fights in urban enclaves are hardly ever random affairs between complete strangers. In this headline case, we have an off-duty Bridges and Tunnel cop named Anthony Presley (a.k.a. 'hero cop', above) who just happens to be at ARJ Auto Repair in Bedford-Stuyvesant on Saturday night when five—count 'em five—armed robbers make the scene. ..." ...
"OK, so, let’s look at this as if there’s nothing more to the incident than what we’re reading. Here’s some of the lessons we can learn:" ... |
Is Smith & Wesson’s Governor a Taurus Judge Clone?
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"Let's start with this: is Ruger's new 1911 a copy of Smith & Wesson's budget-minded 1911? More likely, Ruger's copying the original Colt m1911 patented by John Moses Browning designed on February 14, 1911. While reviewing modern firearm patents you will find many, or most, reference previous designs in their work. They may have used the safety mechanism or possibly the firing mechanism from a previous design and adapted it to their current design. The truth about guns is that most of them are copies. One could even argue they are all copies. Now about the Smith & Wesson Governor . . ." ... |
Ruger SR1911 Officially Official
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"Ruger's entry into the 1911 field has dropped. The SR1911 will run ya eight bills ($799). Eight rounds or nine, depending on which mag you deploy. Five inch barrel. Thirty-nine ounces. Any finish you like as long as it's low-glare stainless steel. So, what's the SR1911's USP (Unique Selling Point)? The website proclaims it's 'a classically styled pistol designed with all of the modern manufacturing advances that you have come to expect from Ruger.' ... I was hoping Ruger'd bring the gun in around five or six bills, but then I'm hoping that Diet Coke is the Fountain of Youth. Official press release and pics after the jump . . ." ... |
OK to regulate guns
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"Many opponents of gun control argue that it is unconstitutional to place restrictions on the right to own a firearm. ..."
"If we examine the beginning of [the Second Amendment], the words regulated, necessary stand out to be proponents of control. We should and do have certain regulations and restrictions on who can and cannot legally own a firearm in this country. Is it reasonable or necessary with regard to national security for children, non-citizens, convicted criminals, and the mentally ill to own guns? Common sense would certainly say no, yet our laws aren't strict enough to prevent this from happening. There are too many loopholes, such as gun shows where access to guns isn't properly regulated." ... |
OH: Another business owner with concealed handgun license defends lives in armed robbery attempt
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"Cleveland Fox affiliate WJW is reporting that another Ohio business owner was able to defend his life and the lives of four others when two armed robbers entered a pet store and began yelling." ..."Akoury said the robbery was identical to one at the store in December. He has had a concealed carry permit for years but after the December holdup decided to keep his gun with him for protection."
"Akoury said as the two robbers were leaving they turned toward him and raised their gun. That's when Akoury drew his."
"'That's when I fired off three shots,' said Akoury. 'They shot back.'" ... |
OK: Medicine Park Man Gets a Taste of His Own Medicine. And Dies.
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"Saw this article this morning at newsok.com. 'Charles Timothy Taylor, 52, was escorted by Park Tavern employees out of the bar ... about midnight because several patrons had complained about his behavior ... Taylor then pulled out a knife and tried to stab bar employees and other patrons. The employees and patrons ran back inside the bar, locked its doors and called 911 along with the bar’s owner ... The bar’s owner arrived shortly before police. ... Taylor shot at the owner and at a small crowd that had gathered, and fired inside the bar ... The bar's owner returned fire, fatally shooting Taylor, Brown said.' I can’t imagine any self-respecting DA that would charge the bar owner for ventilating the perp . . ." ... |
U.S.-Backed Programs Supplying the Firepower for Mexico’s Soaring Murder Rate
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... "The onslaught of weapons that hit Mexico in fiscal 2009 via these legal commercial exports is multiplied even further by the thousands of additional illegal weapons that the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allegedly allowed to cross the border into Mexico, unchecked, as part of what appears to be a seriously flawed operation known as Fast and Furious — which was launched in October 2009."
"This double whammy of deadly firepower pouring into Mexico through these U.S.-sanctioned programs also coincides with a major spike in Mexico’s murder rate over the same period." ... |
Project Gunrunner update: ATF ignored warnings, DOJ ignores document requests
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"Tick, tick, tick. Another Project Gunrunner disclosure deadline approaches for the Obama Department of Justice. And GOP watchdogs are hammering away at yet another stonewall erected by corruptocrat Attorney General Eric Holder."
"Late last week, Sen. Charles Grassley roasted the DOJ for failing to produce documents he requested in February — and released his own set of damning e-mails between a gun shop owner who had protested the ATF’s dangerous straw purchase scheme repeatedly ..." ... |
Mexican homicides tripled while ATF operation sent guns south
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"In the two years since Barack Obama took office and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ramped up its Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious gun trafficking sting operations, drug war homicides in Mexico nearly tripled, according to an article published over the weekend by Global Research." ... |
U.S. Sen. Grassley: Justice Department and ATF need to come clean
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"Floor Statement of Senator Chuck Grassley
Thursday, April 14, 2011"
"Since January, I have been investigating allegations from whistleblowers at the [ATF]. The allegations that I had received are shocking, but sadly they appear to be true. And, praise the Lord for whistleblowers in this government, because we don't know where the skeletons are buried, and they help us to do our constitutional role of oversight ..."
"The ATF is supposed to stop criminals from trafficking guns to Mexican drug cartels, was actually making that trafficking of arms easier for them. That would be bad enough if it happened because of incompetence or turf battles, but it looks like the agency was doing this on purpose." ... |
Transcript of Univision Here & Now program. "You have 1,800 guns that you let go. (If) you get one death for each gun, that is 1,800 people."
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... "Jorge Ramos: 'ONE OF THE THREE WEAPONS USED IN THE MURDER OF AGENT ZAPATA IN MEXICO WAS SOLD ON OCTOBER 10, 2010 AT A DALLAS, TEXAS, STORE, THAT IS, AN AMERICAN AGENT WAS APPARENTLY KILLED WITH AMERICAN WEAPONS.'"
"Mary Zapata: 'I want to know if we, the United States, are responsible for sending the guns.'"
"Jorge Ramos: 'WHAT WE DON’T KNOW IS IF THAT WEAPON WENT INTO MEXICO UNDER THE 'FAST AND FURIOUS' OPERATION OR ANOTHER SIMILAR OPERATION. BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT MANY MEXICANS COULD HAVE DIED DUE TO THE 'FAST AND FURIOUS' OPERATION THAT ALLOWED, AND EVEN PROMOTED, THE ENTRY OF AMERICAN WEAPONS INTO MEXICAN TERRITORY.'" ... |
U.S. State Department is major arms supplier to Mexican drug syndicates
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"'Project Gunwalker,' the Justice Department's operation in which the [ATF] deliberately allows thousands of firearms to be illegally trafficked into Mexico, has been a frequent topic of discussion here at St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner. Now, though, some evidence suggests that in terms of sheer numbers of weapons going to Mexico, with the U.S. government's full knowledge and approval, the Department of Justice might be small potatoes." ... |
GLOCK, Inc. to Donate $115,000 During 2011 NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits
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"GLOCK, Inc. will donate a total of $115,000 to four separate organizations within the National Rifle Association (NRA) during the 2011 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits held in Pittsburg, PA, Apr. 29 – May 1."
"GLOCK, Inc. Vice Presidents Gary Fletcher, Chad Mathis and Josh Dorsey, alongside spokesman R. Lee Ermey will make presentations to each group inside the GLOCK, Inc. exhibition booth (#2029) on Friday, April 29, 2011 at 10:00am." ... |
Mike Fuljenz, Universal Coin & Bullion Expand Support for National Rifle Association
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"Universal Coin & Bullion (UCB) of Beaumont, Texas (http://www.UniversalCoin.com), the official rare coin and bullion dealer of the National Rifle Association (http://www.nra.org), is expanding its support of the organization by becoming a sponsor of this year's NRA-Institute for Legislative Action (http://www.nraila.org) dinner. The 5th Annual ILA Dinner & Auction will be held at 6 pm in the West Club Lounge of Heinz Field on April 29, 2011 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in conjunction with the NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits." ... |
New DNC Chief wants to crack down on gun sales
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"Washington newspaper 'The Hill' is reporting that new Democratic National Committee head Debbie Wasserman Schultz is pushing for the screening of all gun sales - that's private ones too."
"The proposed legislation could require all private, un-licensed gun sellers to go through a licensed dealer or law enforcement agency for background checks before completing a sale." ... |
NRA chief says 2012 vote critical for gun rights
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"The leader of the National Rifle Association said Tuesday that the outcome of next year's presidential election is important to gun owners because the Second Amendment 'hangs by just one vote' in the U.S. Supreme Court."
"Wayne LaPierre, chief executive of the NRA, didn't voice support for any single presidential candidate, but he complained that President Barack Obama's choices for the high court support laws that restrict gun ownership." ... |
Stop "McCarthyite" Gun Control
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"Like vultures, anti-gun congressmen are always picking the bones of some national tragedy looking for political advantage."
"þAnd the horrific shooting in Tucson earlier this year is just another example, as a string of anti-gun bills have been introduced recently. You may have seen a television ad about one of them: H.R. 308, introduced by gun-hating Carolyn McCarthy less than two weeks after the shooting, would ban so-called 'high-capacity' magazines." ... |
New DNC chief reaffirms hers is 'the party of gun control'
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"A Florida Democrat, just named to head the Democratic National Committee, wasted no time yesterday reaffirming the notion that Democrats are 'the party of gun control,' and the 15,000 members of the Washington Arms Collectors (WAC) will not be happy, because her plans could directly impact their monthly gun shows in Puyallup and Monroe." ... |
AZ: Arizona Citizens Defense League Response To Brewer's Veto
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... "SB 1467 would simply have prevented the governing boards of colleges and universities from prohibiting the 'lawful possession or carrying of a weapon on a public right-of-way.' That covers streets, sidewalks, etc. open to public use. Her press conference cited concerns about the lack of a definition of a 'public right of way' that sounded suspiciously similar to the complaints of the anti-rights forces that have been bombarding the governor and urging her to veto the bill. Apparently, the fact that the term 'public right of way' is used numerous times throughout Arizona law does not provide sufficient clarity, at least not when it comes to protecting the rights of the law abiding on our college and university campuses." ... |
ME: New gun bills (third letter)
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"Just when I thought that things could not get any more bizarre in Augusta, two Republicans introduced gun bills, supported by the NRA. The bills would allow a person to carry a concealed weapon without a permit and carry a concealed weapon in the State House and state parks, historic places, premises licensed for consumption of alcohol, and on state property under the jurisdiction of the Department of Public Safety and the Legislative Council." ... |
TX: TX Lawmakers: We Should Be Able to Carry Anywhere
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"Do they use the word chutzpah in Texas? If not they should. Other than the standard example—the boy who kills his parents and asks the court for leniency because he’s an orphan—this is a damn good example. 'Texas state lawmakers want an expanded right to carry guns in public places,' the UPI reports, 'a right that wouldn't be extended to other citizens.' In other words, some Texas lawmakers believe they should be exempt from the laws that they passed on restricting concealed carry (e.g. bars, churches, schools, sporting events and amusement parks), laws that they're sworn to uphold. And why would that be? Let's ask the bill's sponsor, Tim Kleinschmidt . . ." ... |
TN: Bill to allow guns on campus has Tenn. university system up in arms
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"The University of Tennessee has unleashed an unusual and aggressive public relations blitz across all its campuses, including Knoxville, in an effort to rally opposition to a pending bill that would allow employees to bring guns on campus."
"University chancellors are speaking on radio shows and giving interviews to local media. Student government leaders across the state are expressing widespread apprehension. And the University of Tennessee Police Department is objecting, saying that having guns on campus will make their jobs more difficult." ... |
CA: Guns For A Safe UCI?
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"A school shooting is one of the most terrifying events that can occur. Innocent people, many who don’t even know the shooter, are caught in the crossfire, and thousands of lives are changed forever. Preparation for such a sudden and shocking event is nearly impossible; rarely do shooters show outward signs of violent behavior or give any warning or indication of what they are about to do. In fact, it seems like the only way to stop a school shooting is for fate to intervene ... Lately, however, in the wake of the Arizona school shooting, a movement is gaining traction and beginning to turn some heads on the idea of gun control: by allowing guns on college campuses." ... |
AZ: Brewer vetoes bill allowing guns on campus right of ways
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"University officials and students are cheering a surprise veto from Gov. Jan Brewer, who on Monday refused to sign into law a bill that would have allowed guns on university and community college campuses."
"Higher education officials had lobbied heavily against Senate Bill 1467, saying it would lead to potentially dangerous situations."
"In her veto letter, Brewer -- typically a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and gun rights -- called the bill 'poorly written' and said it lacked clarity." ... |
The Who, What, When, Why, and How of the ATF
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"You know, here at TTAG, we treat the ATF with the same reverence and respect that we used to treat GM back in the early days of TTAC. Which is to say 'with none,' ... Now statistically speaking, there must be some ATF agents who are competent, conscientious, and care about their country more than their jobs. (If you’re in that group, please step forward. We wanna hear from you.) But our coverage of the ATF got me to wondering, things like 'Where did these guys come from,' 'Who do they report to,' and 'Why do we need them.' So I went looking for answers. And what I found, as they say, explains a lot . . ." ... |
ATF eTrace System a Fund Raising Scam
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"This website has long argued that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is a profoundly corrupt organization. ... Nothing they do couldn’t be done by some other federal agency. You want to cut $1.5b dollars per year from the U.S. federal budget? Disband the ATF. It’s not much, but it’s a start. Even better, it would stop the ATF from growing. Which is something the Agency’s been desperate to do since birth. Thankfully, the NRA’s thrown cold water on the ATF’s insatiable lust for life. But never underestimate the low animal cunning of a bureaucratic organization hell bent on expansion (i.e. all of them). To wit: here's how the ATF use the eTrace 'crime gun' system to claim more of your tax money . . ." ... |
When Will It Be "Enough"?
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"Within the space of about a day, New Jersey experienced two public displays of organized intimidation by paramilitary thugs. The first involved an armed assault by black-clad bullies whose conduct was indistinguishable from the criminal street violence of the Nazi SS. The other was merely a public protest by the local chapter of the National Socialist Movement." ... |
CA: Accused officer on the job with warrant out; officer faced misdemeanor charges in 2010; ex-wife files for restraining order
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"A Eureka police officer charged Thursday with nine criminal counts had a prior run-in with law enforcement and faced allegations of domestic abuse, according to court records."
"It also appears Daniel Jason Kalis, 36, of Eureka, worked as a police officer for five months with a warrant out for his arrest."
"Kalis -- who was charged Thursday with drug possession, theft and other charges -- was named in an arrest warrant ordered in September 2010 by Humboldt County Superior Court Judge Marilyn Miles. The warrant was issued after Kalis failed to appear at a July 2010 court hearing, where he was to be arraigned in a misdemeanor case charging him with fishing without a license in a closed river and catching a wild steelhead." ... |
WA: Seattle police officer arrested on suspicion of DUI
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"A Seattle police sergeant was arrested April 3 on suspicion of drinking and driving, his second such arrest in six years." ...
"Moss' blood alcohol content (BAC) was measured at .069 and .075 percent, according to Pratt. Though that was below the legal limit of 0.08, Pratt noted that the tests weren't performed until well over 1 ½ hours after Moss' arrest, though the reason for the delay was not immediately known."
"'He did identify himself as a police officer,' [State Trooper spokesman] Pratt said. ..." ... |
NJ: Cops Spray 33 Rounds Trying To Execute Dog [VIDEO]
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"There is controversy over the police shooting of a pit bull dog in Camden Saturday night."
"There are several issues surrounding the shooting death of a neighborhood dog. Many believe the dog did not deserve to die, but many are also shaken by the number of stray bullets."
"Neighbors say the dog was hit on one side of the street, but they found damage from police bullets on the other side of the street and several houses down. They say the officer’s bullets hit vehicles and even houses where there were innocent bystanders." ... |
NY: Police accused of brutality against 90-year-old man
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"Police in Nassau County, New York, slammed a 90-year-old man to the floor, pushed his face across the carpet and arrested him without cause last year, his son said in a lawsuit on Friday."
"Nicholas Sciortino sued for assault and battery, unlawful use of excessive force and the infliction of emotional distress on his father, who has since died, and claimed $100 million in damages." ... |
GA: Citizen Review Board: Officer arrested man because he startled cop in public stairwell
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... "The [Citizen Review Board] last Thursday sustained Hereford's allegations of false arrest and false imprisonment against the officer. The CRB said the officer should be reprimanded and that he and his sergeant, who was the first APD supervisor to review the matter, needed to be 'retrained on the Fourth Amendment,' the U.S. Constitution’s protection from illegal search."
"But also last week, Hereford got a totally different conclusion. APD's Office of Professional Standards (OPS) notified him in a letter 'your allegation of misconduct has been investigated. Sufficient information was gathered to prove the action of this officer was lawful, proper and within the guidelines.'" ... |
NY: 400 cops could be charged for getting rid of tickets
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"As many as 400 cops could face disciplinary charges for fixing tickets in a widening corruption scandal, The Post has learned."
"Two NYPD lawyers were recently transferred from the department's legal bureau to its advocate's office, which handles departmental trials against officers, and told to expect hundreds of cases, according to a source in the unit." ...
"'It was a systemic thing,' said another source familiar with the probe." ...
"A Bronx grand jury is separately weighing criminal charges against about 40 cops accused of taking bribes to make the violations go away." ...
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IL: Ex-Chicago cop pleads guilty to lying
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"Former Chicago police Officer Stephen Del Bosque pleaded guilty today to a misdemeanor civil rights charge stemming from his work in the infamous Special Operations Section, which was disbanded because of a scandal."
"Del Bosque, 35, admitted lying on a 2005 police report by falsely claiming he saw a suspect drop two bricks of cocaine. He also lied in testimony before a grand jury, leading to false charges against the suspect." ... |
CA: "Take Back Your Rights" Campaign Protesters Emerge In San Ramon
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"Members of the Responsible Citizens of California, the East Bay Tea Party, and the Tea Party Patriots converged on the City of San Ramon on Saturday, April 9, 2011 to protest legislation introduced at the State Capitol that infringes on every common, law-abiding Californian's First and Second Amendment Rights. Protesters congregated on the busy corner of Crow Canyon Road and Crow Canyon Place to convey their message to the general public that their basic and fundamental Constitutional Rights are being threatened in Sacramento." ... |
WI: Support gun law (third letter)
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... "Right now, the people of Wisconsin are being denied their constitutional rights because it is illegal to conceal and carry a firearm."
"Concealed-carry will allow the people of Wisconsin to protect themselves from violent people bent on doing violent things. If guns are illegal to carry, then only criminals will be carrying firearms, does that make you feel safe?" ...
"Call your state representatives and tell them to support pure constitutional concealed-carry only, anything less will be unacceptable." |
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| For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing of concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. But it should not be forgotten, that it is not only a part of the right that is secured by the constitution; it is the right entire and complete, as it existed at the adoption of the constitution; and if any portion of that right be impaired, immaterial how small the part may be, and immaterial the order of time at which it be done, it is equally forbidden by the constitution. [Bliss vs. Commonwealth, 12 Ky. (2 Litt.) 90, at 92, and 93, 13 Am. Dec. 251 (1822) |
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