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The Amish and hunting with guns
Submitted by: Larry

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"Being a well-known pacifist group, people sometimes wonder if the Amish use guns for hunting."

"John at the Spokesrider has posted a few questions on this topic, which I've been meaning to get to for a while (thanks John!)."

"I remember while in the Arthur, Illinois settlement a few years ago being surprised to learn that the Amish do use guns for hunting. Since that time I've found that many Amish are avid hunters and I've had numerous conversations with them about the sport. Admittedly, I have never been hunting and would probably be ahead of the game if I made it out of the woods without a hole blown through my foot."

"Hunting trips out West, to Canada and other northern points are not uncommon with some Amish ..." ...
 

Praxis: A liberty litter of brand new bouncing baby bullets
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"This just in from Threeper SJ:

"Made my first batch today. 200 grainers for the .44."

"Definitely a learning experience. If you haven't scolded the IIIpers to be learning it before you might admonish them to spend the time now before times really get lean if they intend to use casting to enhance their ammo supply."

"The whole process took up most of this afternoon with two hours spent actually casting (setup, prep and teardown was a large chunk)."

"Got 200 loadable bullets for my efforts."

"Not much invested either."

"$20 for the mold. $5 for the ladle. $15 for a .429 sizer. ... The cast iron pot was free, used the burner for my turkey fryer as a heat source. ..."
 

Threeper Gear Update
Submitted by: concerned american
Website: http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com

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Unfortunately, the Nyberg flag ("Threeper") vendor's fabricator did not make the red red enough nor the navy blue blue enough.

Think faded red and faded navy blue. Serviceable, but not what we wanted. We'll get the best possible price for these versions, which we will then pass on to you.

I have also had difficulty finding a vendor for our Threeper series of ATF/FBI/DHS/Congress/Obama urinal cakes. Any help from the Threeper audience would be greatly appreciated.

Alternatively, we are looking for porcelain discs featuring these seals, so operatives can epoxy the discs to the vertical surfaces of urinals and the bowl floors of commodes in government toilets across the land...

PS: Read also the comments at the original post.
 

Second Amendment Champs Ignoring Handgun Violence
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"'Bring to me evidence that this is caused harm to the public in the states that have had this law for many years, I'll pull this bill myself.'"

"That's our challenge from Doug Jackson, chief Senate sponsor of the guns-in-bars law. We guess the senator isn't a regular reader of Pith in the Wind because we reported almost a month ago on a new study that provides all the evidence anyone needs:"
"Concealed handgun permit holders killed at least seven police officers and 44 private citizens in 31 shootings over roughly the past two years, according to the [VPC] ..." ...
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Submitter's Note: And obviously Pith in the Wind doesn't read Minneapolis Gun Rights Examiner (or any of several others Gun Rights Examiners) who completely eviscerated this report within days of its release. The simple fact is that the most cursory double-checking by the VPC would have revealed that most of these "permit holders" were nothing of the kind. Almost seems like they had an agenda . . .
 

TN: Critics Claim Guns and Booze Don't Mix
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"There's growing controversy over whether concealed guns be allowed in bars and restaurants. Only eight states expressly prohibit handguns in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol."

"Arizona has just removed itself from that list. Another state, Tennessee, decided to expressly allow licensed gun owners to keep their guns concealed when they go out to eat."

"Across Tennessee, frustrated bar and restaurant owners can't believe the new law." ...

"It is now legal for gun owners who have a permit to carry concealed weapons into any bar or restaurant that serves liquor."

"Randy Rayburn runs a bar and restaurant in Nashville and worries that bar fights will turn into gunfights." ...
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Submitter's Note: "Critics" may be right, but are irrelevant because the law prohibits drinking while carrying.
 

Good news for Augusto, but more media bias, too
Submitted by: Anonymous

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"Previously, we examined the incident where Charles Augusto, Junior successfully defended himself and his employees from an attack by four armed robbers. Here is an update, which contains both good news and bad news."

"On August 16, the New York Post announced that NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly supported Augusto ..." ...

"But the Post only devoted 72 words to this article, and didn’t specifically mention that Augusto wouldn’t be charged."

"Compare this to the earlier article where the Post spent 703 words ... doing their best to cast doubt upon Augusto’s actions by:"
Comparing Augusto to alleged subway vigilante Bernhard Goetz."

"Stating in the title that Augusto 'cut down' the robbers." ...
 

ObamaCare Protesters 'Racist,' Including Black Gun-Owner
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"On Tuesday, MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer fretted over health care reform protesters legally carrying guns: 'A man at a pro-health care reform rally...wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip....there are questions about whether this has racial overtones....white people showing up with guns.' Brewer failed to mention the man she described was black."

"Following Brewer’s report... Dylan Ratigan and MSNBC pop culture analyst Toure discussed the supposed racism involved in the protests. ..."

"Not only did Brewer, Ratigan, and Toure fail to point out the fact that the gun-toting protester that sparked the discussion was black, but the video footage shown of that protester was so edited, that it was impossible to see that he was black. ..." ...
 

Guns Now Visible Outside Venues of Obama Appearances
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"President Obama spoke to a veterans group in Phoenix Monday, KVIA News reported. Outside, amidst protesters, were roughly a dozen people carrying guns, one of them with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle."

"This was the latest case of firearms openly visible at a presidential event. Last week in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a man stood outside an Obama healthcare town hall meeting carrying ... a pistol strapped to his leg."

"According to Second Amendment advocates who do not trust the present administration’s stand on gun rights, they are just exercising their constitutional right to bear arms. Advocates of more gun control call this a disaster waiting to happen." ...
 

Freedom lets man take his rifle to Obama protest, and freedom lets others complain about it
Submitted by: Daniel White
Website: http://www.OhioCCW.org

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"A man with an AR-15 rifle, mislabeled by the media as an 'assault weapon', was one of reportedly a dozen people carrying guns who attended a protest rally in Phoenix, Arizona yesterday. Despite hysteria from those opposed to gun rights, the protest went as a reasonable person would expect; nobody was arrested, no crime was committed and nobody was injured." ...
 

Corporate Media Demonizes Defenders of the Constitution
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"The corporate media is freaking out over Americans exercising their right under the Second Amendment and open carry laws in Arizona and New Hampshire. It just drives them nuts citizens would show up at Obama events with legal weapons."

"As Chris Matthews insinuated in his confrontational interview with William Kostric after the New Hampshire patriot showed up with a sidearm at an Obama event, these people want to assassinate the president. 'Why did you bring a god damn gun at a Presidential event. I think those things make people wonder what you're about,' asked an irate Matthews." ...
 

Anti-gun bigotry may be losing traction
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"As the Obama health care program continues to descend from debate to debacle, increasing attention is being given to a handful of activists who have attended protest rallies openly carrying firearms, leaving some television reporters and commentators having to acknowledge there is nothing illegal about it."

"When I wrote about MSNBC's Chris Matthews joining in the vitriolic attacks on gun owners here, and about anti-gun bigotry here, it brought the hoplophobes out of the proverbial woodwork. At least a few of these folks were not shy about displaying their prejudices, to the point of race baiting, which – thanks to an incident in Phoenix on Monday – has now left them with feet firmly inserted in mouths." ...
 

Media Barely Noticed Legal Gun-brandishing By Leftist Black Panthers in 2000 Protest
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"According to the mainstream media, carrying a gun to a protest is just plain crazy, even if perfectly legal. What's more, it's indicative of the toxic, hate-filled atmosphere filling conservative protests of President Obama and his plans for health care reform."

"'Hardball' host Chris Matthews and his daytime colleagues at MSNBC, for example, have their used air time to marvel at what would possess an average American citizen to go to a rally near where President Obama is speaking with a gun."

"But the media reaction was markedly different nine years ago when a group of Black Panthers marched on the Texas Republican Party's state convention on June 2000 brandishing AK-47s. ..." ...
 

WI: Teen killed was ordered to stay out of trouble
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"A 17-year-old killed Thursday by a man he was trying to rob had been ordered to stay out of trouble in March after he pleaded guilty to taking a woman’s car on a joy ride." ...

On Friday, the Milwaukee Police Department Sgt. Mark Stanmeyer identified Ollie as the teen killed early Thursday as he and a 19-year-old associate tried to rob a man ..."

"The district attorney's office is reviewing the shooting to determine whether charges will be brought against the target of the robbery ..."

"When the suspects confronted a 22-year-old man on the street he pulled out his own gun and shot the younger teen, Stanmeyer said. Somehow, the older teen was shot and suffered a non-life threatening injury, Stanmeyer said."
 

GA: Man Shoots at Intruder, Hits TV
Submitted by: NYSRPA-PVF
Website: http://www.nysrpa-pvf.org

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"A Macon man told police he was protecting his wife, three kids, and his home after he shot at an intruder."

"A Macon Police report says it happened ... Sunday around 3 a.m."

"The man told officers he was asleep on his living room sofa, when he heard a noise."

"The man says he woke up to find a man coming through his window. He says he yelled at the intruder, but he kept coming through the window ..."

"The man says he sleeps with a gun, so he pulled it out and fired two rounds at the intruder ..."

"The intruder backed out of the window ... The man says he doesn't know if he hit the intruder, but he did hit his big screen television. The officer says he ran a check on the man and his gun, and both came back clean."
 

TX: Clerk armed and ready for robbers, kills one
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"Life can change in a second. It can also end. Cell phone store owner, Javid Iqbal saw both on Wednesday afternoon, in just 17 seconds."

"'It is a part of my life that I will have to remember all of the time,' Iqbal recalls."

"It was amazingly fast. Security video released to 11 News showed Iqbal behind the elevated counter, when the would-be robbers rush the store."

"Two men with bandanas covering their faces, the leader gun in hand, vaulted over the case."

"But in the five seconds that it took, Iqbal was already around the corner in the back, gun in hand."

"'I see that guy come in the back pointing a gun. I just started shooting,' Iqbal says." ...
 

Did rifle-toting Obama protester help or hurt gun rights?
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"The appearance of weapons near the president at a speech and a healthcare town hall has been cast as either a danger to the president and public debate or a sign of that gun ownership is gradually losing its stigma."

"A [black] man in a shirt and tie carried a shoulder-slung rifle near President Obama's entourage in Phoenix Tuesday. Since carrying a gun is legal in Arizona, police did not take action against him or any other gun-carrying protesters."

"Last week, however, a man was arrested near the presidential town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., for not having the proper permits for a gun. Another man [lawfully] wore a gun in a leg holster." ...
 

Gun-toting Obama Haters Are A Threat
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"The presence of gun carrying critics of President Obama outside an event in Arizona where the President spoke should alarm those who have been concerned about his safety since the presidential campaign."

"... The simple fact that President Obama's race has provoked an angry reaction from White extremists ... should cause the President's security detail to be hypersensitive to the possibility that someone will make an attempt on his life. ..."

"... The rationale that was used by one man interviewed by the AP is flimsy to say the least, suggesting that somehow his freedoms were under attack by this President and the right to bear arms in Arizona was one of the few remaining. This paranoia is a perfect example why some researchers may be correct in diagnosing racism as a disease. ..." ...
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Submitter's Note: The author is apparently unaware that the man in question is black. Mmmm, shoe leather, taaasty. /sarcasm
 

Didn't the Secret Service used to arrest people that got near the President with a gun?
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"Hey remember that guy back in July 2002 who was arrested for having a gun near a small Maine airport that President Bush was flying into? From the Los Angeles Times:"
"A man was arrested on weapon charges near a small airport shortly before President Bush arrived on his way to his family’s seaside home, police said."

"Christopher Willey, 38, of Springvale, was on a closed road near Sanford Regional Airport. He was held on suspicion of carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and having a loaded 9-millimeter gun in his vehicle, authorities said."
"(Later, he was released, according to the Portland Press-Herald)." ...
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Submitter's Note: So because people have had their civil rights violated under color of law or authority in the past Mike is just fine with it happening again?
 

It May be Their Right, But....
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"News Stories are starting to crop up in states with relaxed laws on carrying weapons in public, where protesters at President Obama events are carrying loaded weapons to brandish outside the venue."

"Okay, brandish may have been to strong of a word. ... While these protesters are stating that they are just exercising their right to bear arms ... carrying a gun with you while you stand outside of an event that the President ... is attending is poor form, in my humble opinion." ...

"While I fully the support a citizens right to bear arms, I would expect that the citizens who choose to exercise that right, do so in a responsible manner. Carrying an assault rifle to a health care protest does not fall into that category."
 

Armed Protests Jeopardize the President, Public
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"... about a dozen people carrying guns, including one with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, stood among protesters outside a convention center in Arizona where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Aug. 17."

"This appears to be the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president." ...

"Allowing armed protesters to show up where the president is speaking is irresponsible and could cause a catastrophic security nightmare for those charged with protecting him."

"It endangers the protective agents, the protesters, the public, and the president. It creates an immediate distraction ..." ...
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Submitter's Note: We doan need no steenkin' civil rights!
 

A limit to gun rights
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"I am a longstanding foe of gun controls. But I am compelled to reconsider my reflexive opposition after a dozen or so gun-toting folk ... showed up yesterday outside the Phoenix Convention Center to protest a speech by President Barack Obama."

"I might have been slightly less uneasy about the protest if, say, the president had ventured to Phoenix to propose new legislation restricting the Second Amendment ... But Mr. Obama actually was in Phoenix to talk about health care." ...

"I don't think the cause of gun-rights is undermined by saying that firearms are out of place at political forums that have absolutely nothing to do with gun-rights ..." ...
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Submitter's Note: And I don't think the cause of voting rights is undermined by saying that you have to be able to read in order to vote. How do you feel about that Joseph?
 

Former agent: Gun-toters creating 'atmosphere of danger' for Obama
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"As many as 12 people openly carrying guns showed up at President Barack Obama's speech to the [VFW] convention ... adding to concerns about the recent trend of private citizens bringing weapons to presidential appearances."

"Those people are 'creating an atmosphere that could be dangerous to the president,' a former Secret Service agent told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Monday night." ...

"And Petro laid some of the blame with the politicians and pundits who have whipped parts of the public into a frenzy over health care reform. 'I would argue that the vitriolic political rhetoric we're hearing from seemingly responsible people is stimulating a lot of these foolish stunts,' Petro said." ...
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Submitter's Note: So former-Agent Petro opposes both freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. Interesting attitude for someone who presumably once swore and oath to 'protect and defend' the Constitution.
 

Lightning Round: Live Free Or Die
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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... "I happen to think that it's insane to believe civic society benefits from heavily armed people loitering about public events, but if you're Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA), there's nothing to fear, because you can trust that these people are responsible gun owners who take concealed weapons wherever they go. But as Chris Matthews points out in the above clip, they aren't concealing their weapons, instead displaying them, which suggests to me that this is all about intimidation and has little to do with 'exercising your rights under the second amendment.'" ...
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Submitter's Note: But the liberals will claim that union strikers threatening death to anyone who crosses their picket line are merely exercising their First Amendment rights and not practicing "intimidation".
 

Shot down
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"A Pyrrhic victory is waiting for those who have taken their guns to town when the president's there."

"... a group of protesters turned up armed at a President Obama meeting in Arizona. One, according to the report was carrying a semi-automatic rifle. The incident follows one last week where a man in New Hampshire carried a sign alluding to a Thomas Jefferson tree of liberty quote whilst strapped with a pistol.
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"We are opposed to anything that might take away personal freedoms, which is why we've got to say that these people toting guns around the president should stop. If they don't, someone else will. Once that happens, the right to carry a firearm in public will be gone forever." ...
 

Roy and Hoppy Taught Me Everything I Needed to Know about Gun Control
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"Second Amendment concerns have been inflamed by the news story about the Arizona man arrested[sic] with an assault rifle at a health care town hall meeting. People are arguing that he had a right to bear arms and was carrying a legal weapon. Some of them are hopping up and down, hissing, and spitting. I'm not so sure. Maybe I was brainwashed by the TV I watched as a small boy."

"My family got its first TV in late 1951. Back in the early days of the idiot box--8" screen with a magnifier at our house--there weren't any old programs to rerun. TV relied on the cheapest films it could get to fill in the mornings and afternoons. I spent a lot of time when I was in grade school watching grade B westerns. ..." ...
 

Bringing Guns To The Obama Events Is Stupid
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"Here's the thing: the only people who suffer any sort of real distress whatsoever when people ostentatiously display their weapons outside an Obama event are agents of the United States Secret Service. Not because they're worried Obama is in danger ... It's because they've got to divert resources in order to deal with you."

"When that guy in New Hampshire brought his gun to Obama's town hall meeting, he was ostensibly trying to make a point about freedom and the second amendment. Point made."

"Everyone else -- all the copycats -- are hurting themselves. Why bring the guns? ..."

"Make a statement? Statement's already been made." ...
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Submitter's Note: That's right! The nerve of those uppity n****rs gun-owners thinking that they have the same rights as white people Leftists!

Different labels, same argument.
 

What Second Amendment Fanatics and the Birth-ers Have in Common
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"The good news is, it is not a crime to be Stupid in America."

"The bad news is, it is not a crime to be Stupid in America."

"It is not a crime to be Stupid, or Thoughtless, or Shortsighted or just plain Ignorant." ...

"So the Second Amendment extremists argue they have the right to carry a firearm to a rally where the President of the U.S. is speaking."

"It is their God given right they claim, to walk around with an Uzi strapped to their chest. That is just plain Stupid. It is Stupid and Thoughtless and Shortsighted. What about the people attending the rally? Do they have the right to gather in fear for themselves or their children or friends?"

"The Birth-ers have this stupidity in common. ..." ...
 

When Does Carrying a Loaded Weapon to a Presidential Rally Become a Threat?
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"We now know that there were two men who openly carried assault rifles[sic] ... outside the [VFW] hall in Phoenix where President Obama spoke yesterday. According to The Associated Press, about eight more people were carrying other types of guns."

"Arizona allows people to openly carry guns, including semiautomatic assault rifles, so no one was arrested. After all, they were just exercising their Second Amendment rights, right? ..." ...

"So when does carrying a loaded weapon to a president's speaking event become a threat? ..." ...
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Submitter's Note: Ummm, never? Maybe, maybe if they try to penetrate the security perimeter with a hidden weapon, but certainly not people out in public.
 

HR 45 takes aim at the Second Amendment
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"With the country busy talking about cap-and-trade, illegal immigration and health care, Congressmen Bobby Rush of Illinois slithered into committee legislation to curb American’s Second Amendment rights."

"... HR 45 is set to amend the Brady ... Act. Pursuant to the legislation, a person would have to be issued a firearm license and states such a license would have to renewed on a yearly basis."

"Uncle Sam wants money from gun owners on a yearly basis and would most likely collect those fees through the 1040 tax form."

"The new law would prohibit transferring a firearm to any family members unless they provide a valid firearm license. The license must be checked by a dealer by using an special authorization number." ...
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Submitter's Note: Many people have said that this bill is DOA, but let's remember to keep an eye on it anyway.
 

Obama's OSHA Pick is Anti-Gun
Submitted by: David Codrea
Website: http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner

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... "We're dealing with someone who views guns only in terms of their misuse. Their protective benefits are not even considered in his advocacy for treating them as a public health issue." ...
 

OH: Another pro-gun mayor wises up to Bloomberg's 'Mayors Against Illegal Guns' charade
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"For the past several years, Buckeye Firearms Association has published a series of articles entitled 'All Politicians Are Not The Same,' highlighting elected officials who have proven strong support for the Second Amendment. Today, I believe we can add two more names to the list: Rep. Josh Mandel and Village of Walton Hills Mayor Marlene Anielski." ...
 

MT: These fools destroying our country
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"You may have not noticed but Montana's two Democratic senators voted to confirm Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court as an associate justice. Max Baucus and Jon Tester, without blinking an eye, threw the Second Amendment off the cliff and with it your rights to gun ownership."

"Oh! I can hear the voices of Montanans saying in unison, 'You're wrong - no way that will ever happen.' Get the sand our of your eyes. You had more than enough time to learn just who Sotomayor is. How many of you hunters and pleasure-shooters took the time to write these two and tell them that if they voted for Sotomayor the price of their betrayal would be their jobs?"

"These two Democrats don't fear you. ..." ...
 

There’s Always a Good Time to Use a (Semi-Auto) Taser
Submitted by: Larry

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"In honor of the ... police women of Broward County, I bring you this video of that taser-o-rama in July where a 16-year-old kid was tasered underneath a bridge as he lay on the ground with a broken back from his fall. At 1:55 of the video, a police captain explains that this kid, with a broken back, 'refused to comply with the officers' (to stand up). Then he reaches into his desperate bag and claims that the kid was incoherently spouting off phrases about 'killing cops' and 'shooting cops,' ..." ...
 

OH: Local excels in competitive shooting
Submitted by: Bruce Krafft

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"For Daniel Robinson, competitive shooting is an art."

"Each time he fires his rifle, he must adjust for the wind, weather and distance to the target."

"'Every time you shoot, it's different,' said Robinson, 50, of Harris Township. 'Part of the game is being able to read the wind."

"'There's a little bit of competition, but really the competition is with yourself. You always try to improve and at least shoot as well as you shot the last time. It's difficult.'"

"After years of shooting and practice, Robinson has done so well at reading the conditions and hitting his target that he won the Distinguished Rifleman's Badge from the Civilian Marksmanship Program on Aug. 8 at Camp Perry." ...
 

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