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TX: Officer negligently discharges .45 while cleaning it, injuring his hand
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"A Palestine police corporal was injured at his home Monday afternoon when the .45-caliber pistol he was cleaning accidentally discharged, striking him in the left hand."

"Charles Steven Petrovich, 47, of Palestine was in a bedroom at his residence on FM 1137 off of Texas 84, east of the city limits, when the gun accidentally discharged at about 4:50 p.m. Monday, according to Anderson County Sheriff's Capt. Greg Taylor."

" 'He (Petrovich) was breaking it down, and it went off,' Taylor said this morning."

"The captain said a '.410 shotgun round' from the pistol penetrated 'the left, meaty part of his hand.' "
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But only cops and the military should have guns. (Anyone remember Barney Fife?)

UT: Gun-control group wants ban extended to public schools
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Last week, OFCC was first to report that law enforcement agencies in Ohio are not in agreement on Ohio's amended CCW bill.

We also reported that the Buckeye State Sheriff Association (BSSA) had asked both the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) and Ohio State Highway Patrol (OSHP) to a meeting, the purpose for which is to get the major law enforcement agencies in agreement on this important issue.

We are now pleased to report that the Fraternal Order of Police has accepted the invitation.

UK: Man caught with stash of heavier artillery than any Brits are permitted to have
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"A FIREARMS dealer kept a hoard of illegal weapons including an anti-tank gun, a rocket launcher and machine guns at his home, a court heard yesterday."

"Richard Ashley allegedly developed an 'obsession and fascination' with guns."

"He exceeded the number he was licensed to keep and his illegal stash included weapons of the 'most extreme levels of dangerousness', prosecutor Craig Rush told Ipswich Crown Court."

"At the time police raided his cottage in Pakenham, Suffolk, Ashley, 57, was a freelance armourer who maintained weapons and offered firearms advice to Suffolk and Norfolk forces." ...

Solomon Islands: Solomons gun collection program better than expected
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"The Regional Assistance Mission to Solomon Islands has collected and destroyed more weapons than were estimated to be in the community before the latest gun amnesty began."

"Our Pacific correspondent, Sean Dorney, reports the total number of weapons taken out of the community has passed 3,850."

"A confidential working paper prepared before the gun amnesty began on August 1 estimated there were between 2,640 and 3,520 small arms unaccounted for in Solomon Islands." ...

MI: State Supreme Court Refuses To Hear Gun Appeal
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The Michigan Supreme Court has refused to hear an appeal of a lower court ruling that communities can't ban handguns from public buildings.

The decision is a victory for the Lansing-based Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners. The group challenged Ferndale's ban on guns in city buildings.

The Michigan Court of Appeals threw out the ban earlier this year when it ruled in favor of three residents who had sued to defeat the ban.

Gun-rights groups are praising both the appeals court and state Supreme Court's decision.

Ferndale Mayor Bob Porter said he is stunned the court ignored widespread support for the ordinance.

Australia: Gun ordeal recalled
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"Senior Constable Andy Prisco considers himself lucky to be alive after a gunman fired a single bullet through the windscreen of his police car on Friday, July 18."

"The policeman of 10 years was driving on the Pyrenees Hwy, 4km east of Avoca when he pulled over a blue VN Commodore sedan for a routine inspection after it failed to dip its headlights. It was 11.20pm, the vehicle had been travelling west towards Avoca and had pulled over at the first opportunity."

"Sen Const Prisco said he had no reason to suspect anything 'out of the ordinary' until he saw the figure of a man emerge from the front passenger door holding something in front of his body." ...

IL: Gun bill blasted
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"An employment advocacy leader and former congressional candidate is opposing the plan of U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-5th, to carry over young adults' juvenile criminal past."

"Mark A. Fredrickson, president of Unemployment Advocates, is encouraging legislators to oppose making juvenile criminal records a part of a national database, instead, he suggested an alternative means of curbing urban violence, favoring drug treatment." ....

"Congressman Emanuel favors the Juvenile Gun Crime Reporting Act, an extension of the Brady gun control law."

"Fredrickson favors drug treatment and decriminalization as a means of reducing urban gun violence, not making it tougher to buy weapons." ...

MA: Officer admits shoving student
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"A Boston police sergeant yesterday admitted shoving a Harvard student across a police station room and up against a wall but said he acted in self-defense because he thought the young man was reaching for a weapon."

"Byrne is accused of beating Trombly and breaking his jaw after arresting him during a crackdown on underage drinking among college students in the Brighton area. Byrne has been suspended."

"Byrne is also accused of witness tampering for allegedly pressing four officers to cover up the alleged assault."

"Byrne arrested Trombly outside a Commonwealth Avenue apartment saying he spit at the officer and resisted arrest after he was caught drinking beer with other students. The charges were later dropped." ...

NY: Young father shot dead for accidentally bumping stranger - in "gun free NYC"
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"The gunfire at the West Indian American Day Carnival Parade started after an accidental bump, the kind that most people walk away from without incident.
But Anthony Bartholomew did not walk away."

"The Brooklyn college student was shot to death Monday - all because he bumped into a man dancing wildly in the street, police sources said yesterday."

"Bartholomew, 20, the father of a month-old daughter, was pushing against the throngs of people on Eastern Parkway when he jostled a fellow reveler flailing his arms to a thumping drumbeat from a nearby float."

"The dancing man allegedly responded by pulling out a weapon and squeezing off two bullets, hitting Bartholomew once in the head."
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But guns are outlawed in NYC!

OH: Vanity may have payed off for car theft victim
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"According to Highway Patrol Sgt. Knoll, the man was driving a stolen car and was spotted by the car owner's girlfriend and sister, who were driving the opposite direction on US 6 and recognized the car because of its vanity plates."

"Not knowing the car had been stolen, the woman called her boyfriend with her cellular phone to warn him there was a Highway Patrol officer in the vicinity."

"Upon realizing the car had been stolen, they turned around and followed it and called 911 on the cell phone, Knoll said."

"Vann is accused of stealing the 1984 Chevrolet Caprice at gunpoint about 10:30 p.m. Saturday from Dairy Mart East on State Street in Fremont, according to a Fremont police report."
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The bad guy had a gun, why not the victim? Ah, that's right; it's illegal for a lawful, peaceable citizen to defend himself in Ohio.

Philippines: Ombudsman indicts cop for murder
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"THE OMBUDSMAN for the Military has indicted a policeman to a non-bailable criminal case for allegedly shooting his live-in partner to death inside a taxicab in Bajada last January. Deputy Ombudsman for the Military Orlando Casimiro charged PO1 Christopher Maja, a member of Task Force Diwalwal under the Regional Mobile Group based in Camp Catitipan, charged for the death of pawnshop employee Jade Jay Biatingco at around 1:45 a.m. of January 23."

"Maja shot Biatingco at the back of her head inside a Mario taxicab."

"Biatingco, a resident of Buhangin, Davao City who works at the Cebuana Lhuillier Pawnshop in Digos City, instantly died due to the fatal wound." ...
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But only cops and the military should have guns.

Philippines: Top police officer axed for returning seized firearms to Abra governor
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"The chief of the Regional Mobile Group of the Police Regional Office has been relieved of his post for allegedly mishandling the seizure of seven high-powered firearms from a vehicle reportedly owned by Abra Gov. Vicente Valera in the capital town of Bangued Monday morning." . . .

"Minutes after the interception, the sources said Valera, accompanied by several bodyguards, arrived at the checkpoint and invited Gamis and his men to his residence."

"One of Lugas aides said they have yet to receive an official report on why Gamis returned the firearms to Valera."

"The firearms included two M-16 rifles, one baby M-16, one M-14, a mini-Uzi and two .45-caliber pistols." ...
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A fine example of laws only applying to the peasants.

TX: Concealed handguns now allowed in some public buildings
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"Carrying a licensed concealed handgun into city hall or police headquarters has been banned in Plano for years. Not anymore."

"A new state law went into effect Monday that stripped cities of the right to prohibit concealed handguns in many governmental buildings . . . . The change irked some city officials."

" 'I'm not at all happy with this,' said Mayor Pat Evans. 'We asked the Legislature not to change the law and to let cities have the choice on whether or not to ban them.' "

" 'It's unfair to our employees who have to worry that the person standing across from them that may have a gun in their pocket,' said City Councilman Phil Dyer." ...
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Simple solution: don't disarm the city employees. Complaining that they are defenseless while demanding that they be defenseless is like complaining that a declawed cat can't climb to get away from a hungry dog. But while you can't reinstall a cat's claws, you can restore the right to self-defense of free people.

SD: Love of hunting triggers gun festival near Groton
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"Some of the raffle proceeds from the 2003 Shoot Festival near Groton this weekend will go to military families, says organizer Shawn Gengerke."

"The event is also meant to support South Dakota's hunting economy and allow participants to express their Second Amendment rights, Gengerke said."

"Gengerke is the owner of Gengerke Tactical Supply, which is presenting the inaugural Shoot Festival. The event will run Saturday and Sunday at Gengerke's farm and business, located 5 3/4 miles north of Groton on state Highway 37."

"The event is open to the public and those involved in law enforcement." ...

NY: Judge Tosses DEA Manslaughter Case - shooting unarmed man in the back is OK
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"A Brooklyn federal judge Wednesday threw out a manslaughter case against a Drug Enforcement Administration agent, ruling that he was justified in shooting an unarmed man in the back last year during a Flatbush drug bust."

"In a decision that was strongly critical of the Brooklyn district attorney's office for bringing the case against DEA agent Jude Tanella, Judge Nicholas Garaufis said federal law barred the prosecution." ...

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"The 2003 State Trapshooting Championships were conducted at the Alexandria Shooting Park in Alexandria, Minn., and are now in the books." "Members of the Grand Rapids Gun Club who attended were Randy Cook, Dennis Swearingen, Glenn McLeod, Dean and Betty Walker, Greg and Julie Wiens, Linda Roskos, Jerry Washburn, Gerald Kaar, George Jacobson and Dale Rasmussen." ...

South Africa: "Yes, licensing of firearms has to be very strict"
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An editorial rant by the leader of South Africa's primary gun prohibition organization...
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"What is bad for the gun dealer might just be good for the South African public overall."

"Gun violence is a major problem in South Africa. We have one of the highest firearm-related murder rates in the world; more than 30 people die from gunshot wounds every day (more than from all forms of motor car accidents combined) and guns are used in 80% of armed robberies, which have soared in number in the last few years."

"Some might blame this on illegal guns, but the divide between legal and illegal guns gets more and more blurred all the time." ...
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The divide gets blurrier in direct proportion to the advent of new, more restrictive gun prohibitions -- because more people are turned into criminals at the stroke of a pen, and more people are choosing to disobey laws that place them at the mercy of the many armed and violent thugs on the loose.

NC: Teen uses firearm to defend himself and his friend
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"Two teens were walking along Cheek Road when a gold Honda Accord or Mazda 626 pulled up beside them, police said. Two men in the car demanded drugs or money from the teens."

"When the teens said they had neither, the driver allegedly pulled a gun and fired three times, striking a 19-year-old Durham man."

"His friend then pulled a revolver and fired six times at the car, which fled the area, police said."

"The victim was taken to Duke University Hospital, where he was in stable condition. " ...
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KABA NOTE:

In North Carolina, a teenager is barred from carrying a firearm for self-defense. Here we have a case of a teenager violating the law and possibly saving his own life and the life of his friend.

MA: As the economy sours, crime rises, says retired judge
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"Editor's note: This is the ninth in a series of interviews with a cross section of people regarding the outbreak of violence in New Bedford." ...

"Q: What is happening in New Bedford?
A: You have an unfortunate set of circumstances where young people are acting out in matters of violence that is very disturbing. How you rechannel those energies is a difficult and challenging task." ...

"Q: Does it seem to you there are more guns on the streets than ever before?
A: I think so. I sense it.
Q: Even more than three years ago when you were on the (Superior Court) bench?
A: I don't think there are any fewer guns." ...
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It's great that a retired Massachusetts judge is admitting that the state's anti-self-defense gun prohibitions aren't making innocent people safer. But will the Elitists In Power restore the right of self-defense in this corrupt state?

Court Rejects Gunmakers' Appeal
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WASHINGTON (AP) - "Two gunmakers who challenged Congress' authority to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons lost a Supreme Court appeal Monday."

"The court, without comment, rejected an appeal that said Congress exceeded its power to regulate interstate commerce when it outlawed such weapons in 1994."

"The 1994 law, an amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968, defines semiautomatic assault weapons to include a list of specified firearms and "copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber.' "

"Navegar Inc. and Penn Arms Inc. challenged the federal ban in 1995."

"Florida-based Navegar, doing business as Intratec, manufactures two semiautomatic pistols, the TEC-DC9 and TEC-22, which are among the specifically banned weapons."

"Pennsylvania-based Penn Arms makes the Strike 12, a 12-gauge revolving cylinder shotgun. All such shotguns are treated as semiautomatic assault weapons under the 1994 law." ...
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The manufacturers' position is entirely correct, of course. But the judges apparently prefer serving their employer rather than serving liberty -- a common malady among public servants these days.

CT: Gun dealer stops selling guns because some psychotic mother murdered her kid with one he sold
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" 'Guns are not for sale,' reads a sign posted inside his store, Tommy Gun Choppers, on West Main Street."

" 'That actually was the last gun I sold,' said Imperati, 40, referring to the .30-caliber Winchester rifle he sold to Jennifer OConnor for $340 earlier this year."

"Five months ago today, OConnor allegedly used the weapon to shoot her daughter, Sara OConnor, as the 7-year-old child lay sleeping in their Branford condominium. Sara died three days later; OConnor faces a murder charge."

"Upon learning of the tragedy, a distraught Imperati publicly vowed to quit the gun-selling business."

"He has since locked up his remaining in-store stock 17 rifles and shotguns and has refused to ink any related sales receipts." ...
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QUESTION FOR THIS GUN-BLAMING GUN DEALER:

If this murderous lunatic had strangled her innocent child with a fishing stringer you sold her, would you stop selling fishing stringers, too? If she'd used a hammer you sold her to kill the poor kid, would you stop selling hammers, too?

CT: Self-defense eyed in incident's wake
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NORWICH -- "Police and Second Amendment experts await a decision by the New London State's Attorney's Office on whether a 61-year-old Norwich man had a legal right to shoot an intruder in his home."

"On Friday night, George Blacker, of 433 Scotland Road, shot one of two burglars who entered his house at 154 Salem Turnpike house."

"The home, police said, was not Blacker's primary residence."

"But, according to police, it was where William Derose, 43, and an unnamed accomplice are suspected of forcing entry shortly after 10 p.m. Police found evidence of a door being pried open."

"Blacker, according to police, was inside waiting with a shotgun."

"As of Wednesday, no warrant had been issued for his arrest. And Blacker has been unavailable for comment." ...
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If everyone was ready inside with a shotgun and the media would help publicize the turkey shoots, midnight intruders could become a thing of the past in a matter of weeks.

MN: "First crime committed under state's new handgun law"
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"He had a permit to legally carry a handgun for eight days, before committing a crime. Now, he's the first Minnesotan to have his handgun permit suspended under the state's new gun law."

"When the new handgun permit law was debated here at the capitol opponents feared it would turn Minnesota into the 'wild west.' That has not happened, but one Minnesota man does have the dubious distinction of being the first to lose his right-to-carry for committing a felony with his handgun."

"These tire skid marks mark the end of his right to carry a handgun in public...at least for now." ...

"According to the criminal complaint, Petersen's brother began ramming his car into a retaining wall and the side of his house. When he wouldn't stop, Damian Petersen "emptied the entire magazine" of a semi-automatic handgun into the car's engine, in an attempt to 'kill the motor.' " ...
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NEWSFLASH FOR THE "REPORTER" WHO WROTE THIS STORY:

Anyone legally allowed to possess a handgun in Minnesota can carry it in any way he or she chooses on his or her own property. Concealed, open, whatever. This includes this particular person. The fact that he had a concealed weapons permit is irrelevant to the facts in this case -- because it happened on his own property. He could have shot his violent brother's car whether he had a permit or not. And in common law, if his brother was destroying his home with his car, he had every right in the world to protect his property anyway.

FL: More than 2,100 tickets issued in Operation Brake Light
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"More than 2,100 tickets were written to traffic lawbreakers in Collier County during the during the week-long enforcement blitz that tackled speeders and tripped up red light runners."

"That's more than triple the number of tickets written during the same week last year when Collier sheriff's deputies wrote 623 citations, Sheriff Don Hunter said Wednesday, a day after Operation Brake Light ended. The average number of tickets written in a week ranges from 550 to 700."

"Speeders, traffic light runners, stop sign scofflaws and others who broke rules of the road picked up around 1,600 of those citations, while the rest were for non-moving violations, Hunter said."

"Deputies, sometimes 65 at a time around the county, teamed up at major intersections to look for drivers violating the law." ...

The Best Security Is A Well-Armed Citizenry
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"With the second anniversary of 9/11 just around the corner, rumors and theories about another possible terrorist attack are in abundant supply. According to a recent CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll, 54 percent of Americans think that more attacks are likely during the next few weeks, and 80 percent believe that terrorists are already in the U.S. and are prepared to strike at any time."

"There must be reason for concern--even the federal government has stepped up efforts to make it appear as if it is doing something to provide for the common defense. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge announced on Monday his intentions to deputize 5,000 more sky marshals, calling it 'another way we're meeting our goal to maximize resources to better protect our citizens.' "

"Some may see this as a sign that the government is getting serious about fighting terrorism. Others may see it for what it is: yet another example of the government's unmatched ability to insult the intelligence of its citizens." ...

NY: Rapist on the loose in NYC, where self-defense is illegal unless you're a celebrity or a politician
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"Police are searching for a Brooklyn man who allegedly grabs women, throws them into his car, and sexually assaults them."

"Police say the suspect, who has been identified as John Mercure, 21, of Brooklyn, is described as a black man in his 20s. Police say he has allegedly struck three times this week. Officials say the suspect was last seen wearing a white sweat suit with green stripes, and a baseball cap over a black bandana."

"On Sunday, police say the suspect, armed with a gun, forced a 17-year-old woman walking on the street with friends. He drove the victim to a building in Brooklyn, where she was sexually assaulted. Police say the suspect then fled the scene. The victim in that incident sought medical attention after the attack."

"In another incident, also on Sunday, police say the suspect abducted a 17-year-old girl at gunpoint and forced her into his stolen car. The suspect fired a bullet into the ground when she tried to resist. The suspect then allegedly sexually assaulted the victim in the stolen car, and then takes the woman into a basement of a building and rapes her, according to police. The suspect later walked the victim about a block then fled the scene, according to police." ...
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New York Senators Schumer and Clinton would surely want to allow women to protect themselves from such a person, right?

OR: Jury says rancher justified in killing of intruder
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"A Klamath County grand jury has decided that a Gilchrist man was justified in killing an intruder."

"The grand jury said David Crider 'reasonably believed' the intruder was about to use deadly force."

"In the early morning of July 16, David Crider shot and killed Mark Timothy Nelson, 26, of Vancouver, Wash."

"Nelson had broken into the Criders' house, the grand jury said, and David Crider 'believed Mark Timothy Nelson was committing or attempting to commit a burglary. ... Crider reasonably believed ... Nelson was about to use deadly force against both Mr. Crider and his wife.' " ...

MD: Car Owner Kills Man Tampering With Car
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LAUREL, Md. -- "A man shot two people tampering with his car, killing one of them Wednesday morning, according to police in Laurel."

"Police said the Chevrolet Tahoe's owner was awakened by a pager system that alerts him when his car is being tampered with. The man grabbed a gun and went outside to investigate."

"There, he confronted four people who were allegedly tampering with his car. The man shot at the men, hitting two in the upper body, police said in a press release."

"One of the shooting victims and an uninjured man fled and drove to a location in Anne Arundel County. According to police, the shooting victim was later taken to a hospital and is critical condition." ...

NOTE:

The above webpage has a poll, which asks: "Do you think people should be allowed to use deadly force to protect their property?"

At the time this Newslink was published here, the poll results were as follows:
Yes 1167 78%
No 338 22%

TN: Armed and ready: Vol Market owners carry handguns openly to deter crime
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MAYBE THIS WILL START A TREND.....
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KNOXVILLE -- "At the Vol Market No. 3 on Western Avenue, the person preparing your food, cashing your check or ringing you up at the register likely will be wearing a holstered handgun on their hip."

"But unlike most Tennesseans who have a handgun carry permit, Vol Market owners have decided that open display as a visual deterrent is preferable to concealment as final protection." ...

"The state does not track how many business owners with carry permits who openly display firearms. [Give the Brady Camp time and they'll try to make that a law, too.] Authorities say there are probably not many. But the Vol Market folks are not alone."

"Knoxville Police Dept. Lt. Eddie Biggs said some pawn shop owners wear handguns openly." ...

"In addition to its thriving food and deli business, Vol Market has a check-cashing service, which requires a lot of cash be on hand to cash payroll checks for customers."

"Store employees have been carrying guns openly after the 1996 carry permit law went into effect. Since then, it has not been robbed but was burglarized three times. And several persons who tried to cash stolen checks were detained by employees until police arrived." ...

OH: Ohio's major law enforcement agencies calling OSHP to the table
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... "Moore is not a documentary filmmaker. It's time for the Academy to acknowledge that mistake in classifying his work as non-fiction. Moore is a master of agit-prop. He's a master of the big lie. He's a con artist who uses cinematic imagery to extort and exhort." "And he doesn't even know how to play by the rules." ...

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Actually, an activist Judge rants about "evil guns" as he puts away someone who may have obtained the gun for self defense against a gang...

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So, it's OK to support anti-gun propaganda films but not safe and sane gun ownership for self-defense?...

UK: Murdered Asians tried to tackle drug dealers
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"The two NRI hoteliers who were shot dead by a gang last Friday paid a heavy price for trying to cleanse the area around their East London Hotel of the menace of drug dealers, police sources said today."

"Amarjit Singh, 52, and his 35-year-old nephew Raginder had become well-known for trying to banish drug pushers operating around their hotel in Forest Gate, the sources said."

"The Scotland Yard detectives are trying to establish whether their killers were drug dealers seeking revenge."

"Police are hunting three Asian men in their twenties with whom the victims had had an argument when they found them parked illegally in spaces reserved for the hotel."
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More victims of victim disarmament in the UK: no ability to defend self and property.

CA: Candidates' stances on gun issues emerge
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"California's gun laws have become much stricter in the last decade, largely due to Davis' signature on a host of new statutes. His predecessor, Pete Wilson, also approved several."

"But more are in the pipeline. Davis or the next governor could soon face a bill -- a top priority of gun-control groups -- to require that most semiautomatic pistols include a device to disable the gun if its ammunition clip is disengaged." ...